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    #64154 12/16/09 08:11 AM
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    I posted this under the parent advocacy section and hadn't gotten any response. I thought I'd try here smile

    We are one day away from our initial IEP meeting. I just finished going over the draft IEP that was sent to me. It's not exactly what I requested and yet I'm not totally disappointed. I can see they are at least trying to meet some of his needs.

    My question is on measurable goals. I requested norm-referenced pre and post test to measure progress each year. The person writing the IEP wants to use criterion referenced assessments with the phrase 'at grade level and beyond'. I've done a bit of research and I just can't see where the CRT's would work alone. I want actual objective and measurable goals to make sure they are doing there jobs.

    Any thoughts?

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    Is the plan for this meeting to have a team of people or just one person? If it's a team I would suggest calling the Person making this decision and ask about the benefits of her plan and see what she thinks of what you are suggesting.

    I am not familiar with the things you are talking about. I hope someone here can speak more to this. good luck.

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    It's a team. 6 of them for the 2 of us! Sounds a little unbalanced eh?

    I've asked who has the final say and sent them my questions about it. It's just from what I've researched the CRT isn't what we should be putting.

    It just sucks that you almost have to be a specialist in contracts, a specialist in gifted education, and a teacher to even have a chance at getting what is appropriate!

    Just venting.

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    I'm with you and see CRTs as limited for gifted children. I would want something that measures growth and has a high test ceiling.
    www.oagc.com/files/Value-AddedFAQ(Gifted).pdf
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    �[Value-added models] concentrate on gains because student gains provide information on educational effects that measures of ability cannot. High achievement scores do not necessarily indicate progress, but high gains do. By focusing on the gains that all students make from year to year, regardless of where they start, the school systems and the individual schools deemed to be most effective by [value-added models] are those that provide educational opportunities for all students--the advanced learner as well as the slower
    learner.� (Sanders & Horn, 1995, p. 10).
    Good luck with the meeting. It can take a huge amount of effort to move a beauracracy, so you may have to take up Grinity's rallying cry of "for the grandchildren!"

    P.S. I thought this was a good example too:
    http://www.oagc.com/files/OAGCPostitionontheAchieveReport.final.doc
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    The current Ohio Achievement Test is a criterion-referenced test (CRB) based on Ohio grade-level standards and relies on cut scores to report student skills. The difference between the two is like the weekly spelling list (which one expects all students to know and be able to spell) and the national spelling bee (where the student spellers are eliminated as words become increasingly difficult and one person can spell the last word.) If Ohio wants to ensure that its students can compete nationally and globally, it must look to tests that rank students with others outside Ohio.

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    I don't know how realistic this is $$$$ but you could do this gain testing each year on your own to monitor how your child is doing? Then show the results to the school to make adjustments as needed?

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    Thanks for the resources inky. I'm going to look those over tonight.

    onthegomom - I paid for DS6 initial assessment which I would be happy to do every year. Only if it's not in the IEP then it's not going to be used to move DS6 forward each year. Do you ever feel like your head is going to explode?


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