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Studies have shown that folks allowed to doodle tend to retain MORE than people who are not allowed If this was Mr W, I'd work with him to dig up some papers on this and give them to the teacher. That would be a real push back. A quick Google search: Doodling helps you pay attention... Heck, I may even add this to my list of desired accommodations for today's meeting! If nothing else, it gives me a throw-away negotiation chip. Although, after skimming a couple of articles, I dunno -- looks pretty convincing to me.
Being offended is a natural consequence of leaving the house. - Fran Lebowitz
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If my kid is drawing on the white board when the teacher told them not to, I'd support a consequence. If the kids can't manage their impulses and are drawing on their board, and then have to erase when it's time to do actual work on the board, it holds up the whole group. How can you draw a group of 8 grapes +2 when you have another picture on the board? What if you like the picture and don't want to erase it? What if you have a meltdown when the teacher says to erase it? (not that your child would do this, but probably some children do) I think for group unity, just don't draw on the board until you are permitted. I completely agree. And I supported her rule with DS. It's the consequence I have an issue with.
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Yeah, in January, outside, with no supplies except a plastic garbage bag, an empty Coke bottle, and a bent dime. Val This would be a reward for my DS7. I am so sorry to hear about your DSs situation Cathy A. I have big issues with those discipline cards. My DS suggested that he just turn the card to red right off the bat, go to the principal and get sent home. That's where he wanted to be anyways. (My cue to pull him out of PS).
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Thank you thank you thank you Val!!!! I could not for the life of me remember that, and all my "subconsciences" was getting was Adam Sandler's turkey song,  . Walk right in it's around the back, Just a half a mile from the railroad track... You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant (excepting Alice).... Val
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If my kid is drawing on the white board when the teacher told them not to, I'd support a consequence. If the kids can't manage their impulses and are drawing on their board, and then have to erase when it's time to do actual work on the board, it holds up the whole group. How can you draw a group of 8 grapes +2 when you have another picture on the board? What if you like the picture and don't want to erase it? What if you have a meltdown when the teacher says to erase it? (not that your child would do this, but probably some children do) I think for group unity, just don't draw on the board until you are permitted. I completely agree. And I supported her rule with DS. It's the consequence I have an issue with. The good thing I see in this is your son has been able to accept it and move on. Too many of us gifted people have a highly developed sense of right & wrong, and it's really hard to accept an injustice. But at this point, it's a minor injustice. Maybe the teacher had a bad day, and wrongly jumped to a more severe punishment than deserved, and definitely did not follow protocol. Who hasn't had a bad day and treated someone else unfairly at some time? Repeated injustice needs to be addressed, but if this is the first time and it happened to my GS10, I'd be real proud of him if he didn't get bent out of shape over it. I am constantly telling GS10 "life is not fair, get over it"!
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How can you draw a group of 8 grapes +2 when you have another picture on the board? LMAO! "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" But that's a different song.... "I mean, I'm sittin' here ... I'm sittin' here on the Group W bench because you wanna know if I'm moral enough to join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' an elementary school doodler...."
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If my kid is drawing on the white board when the teacher told them not to, I'd support a consequence. If the kids can't manage their impulses and are drawing on their board, and then have to erase when it's time to do actual work on the board, it holds up the whole group. How can you draw a group of 8 grapes +2 when you have another picture on the board? What if you like the picture and don't want to erase it? What if you have a meltdown when the teacher says to erase it? (not that your child would do this, but probably some children do) I think for group unity, just don't draw on the board until you are permitted. I completely agree. And I supported her rule with DS. It's the consequence I have an issue with. The good thing I see in this is your son has been able to accept it and move on. Too many of us gifted people have a highly developed sense of right & wrong, and it's really hard to accept an injustice. But at this point, it's a minor injustice. Maybe the teacher had a bad day, and wrongly jumped to a more severe punishment than deserved, and definitely did not follow protocol. Who hasn't had a bad day and treated someone else unfairly at some time? Repeated injustice needs to be addressed, but if this is the first time and it happened to my GS10, I'd be real proud of him if he didn't get bent out of shape over it. I am constantly telling GS10 "life is not fair, get over it"! You know, I thought about why it's hard for me to let this go, and I think it's because I'm afraid it's an indication of how she will handle discipline this year. I'm worried. Not so much about this particular incident, but about what it means in terms of her attitude toward my son. I know I shouldn't jump to conclusions...
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Drawing doesn't necessarily mean you're not paying attetion; doodling can be a way to keep you mind fairly wakeful during a dead-dull lecture - studies have shown that folks allowed to doodle tend to retain MORE than people who are not allowed.
Anyhow, if it keeps up, maybe you can ask the teacher to query your ds as to some relevant info she think's he's missed. If he usually knows the answer, maybe he could be allowed to keep doodling. I was a serious doodler in class, usually in the back of the room, but always had a correct, and often pithy response for teachers - thinking they'd really really caught me off guard they'd select me for a tough question and I'd nail the answer, because despite the doodling, I really was listening. I agree. I personally have a really hard time listening without keeping my hands busy with something,usually doodling or crocheting. I doodle (or fill in all of the circles in the letters on the bulletin) at church because I don't think working on my latest crochet project in church would go over well. Maybe I need to join an older church and convince all of the little old ladies to bring their projects to church with them so I can too.
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I agree. I personally have a really hard time listening without keeping my hands busy with something,usually doodling or crocheting. I can't watch a DVD unless I'm doing something else, like putting a puzzle together or playing Set or solitaire or something. I mostly listen to the DVD while looking at whatever. I'm sitting here writing a paper, and I need to play music to keep myself focused. I even find that my ability to ice skate improves if a song I like is playing. It's as though part of my brain needs to be distracted so that another part can concentrate. Val
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One time when my ds was in Kindergarten he wouldn't do an assignment b/c it was to easy. He told the teacher he was doing this type of work when he was 2 years old. They didn't let him go to lunch with his classmates and had to go to the vice-principal's office to do his work. He stood his ground. He missed lunch with his friends and recess with his friends. It wasn't until the last lunch period (by this time 3 had passed) that they allowed him to go eat then go back to the vp's office to finish his work. Well, after he ate it took him all of 5 min to do. The vp was impressed that he did it all correctly in 5 min but was disappointed in him b/c if he would have just done it at first he would have been allowed to eat and have recess with his friends. DS needed to learn to do the work that the teacher gave him but holding him from eating I didn't agree. I am proud that ds was trying to show them in his own way that the work was easy but was sad b/c they didn't see it that way nor do anything about it.
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