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    I'm totally new to this. I'm originally from northern Europe and there we do not not separate kids in schools at any way (huge mistake!!). Sorry this is long.

    DD is our only child 24mo. She is bilingual and at home we only speak our language, at the daycare she hears English. She started to talk at 9mo and immediately had 4 words. She also walked at the same age. Two languages have not slowed down her speaking at all. She currently uses mostly 5-6 word sentences in our home language and 3-4 word sentences in English. She is bit behind in English compared to our language as she has less adult interaction and mostly learns from babies her age. At 14mo I noticed she could name her body parts in English, I guess she learned it from daycare. I just once repeated them to her in our language and she has remembered them since.

    She has known her alphabets for few months (both upper and lower case letter), I think she knows most of the sounds too but I do not want to test her smile She started asking about them at 16mo for example by showing letters from milk bottles for me to name them. At some point I showed her starfall website and she loves to play with it. We do not do it often, not even every month as I work full-time and she goes to daycare. I prefer not to have her play with computer or watch DVDs when I'm home with her. Only way to keep her quiet in restaurant was to draw letters and have her name them. Now she is bored with it and is not interested naming them anymore. She seems to think we are silly to ask such easy questions.

    She also can count to 12 in two languages and understands the concepts of numbers. We were really surprised with her dad as at 21mo she commented while we were driving that there are 3 busses next to us. Now she counts everything to inform how many things she has, like 5 markers. She can do all this in two languages.

    She loves to draw and at 12mo was able to hold the pen correctly. Now for a month she has been telling us what she is drawing and there is some resemblance to be seen (snake is long and curvy, spider is tiny and has legs, ladybug is black dot with legs, bird has birdshape etc.) She also likes to draw letters like A or I but easily misses he middle line from A and I is often curvy.

    She has a huge interest in computers and just by looking what we do has learned to use them little bit. She can insert DVDs and start them, she can also eject them. Increase and decrease volume and light and change songs etc simple things. She enjoys if I open word document and she can "write" on it and she is trilled to change slides on a power point presentation.

    She does not have special interest in puzzles but likes to do them if we are following her. She can easily do 4 piece puzzles but needs some help with 6+ pieces. I don't think she fully understands the concept of looking how the picture should look like and then matching the pieces. She mostly just tries if they fit together or not. If pictures are small and only the size of 2 pieces she can match them together.

    I'm sure she is not genius as she is not as advanced as some of the other kids I have read from. With language development it is difficult to judge as she is speaking two languages. I want to learn ways to keep her challenged in positive way without being pushy a parent. I do feel that she is smarter than either one of us is like having mine and DH intelligence combined in her. We, me and DH, are both scientist and have two doctorate degrees. I remember school being really easy for me and in subjects that I was not that good I was total underachiever as I did not understand that I should study or do homework. I actually failed my first class in grad school as I did not understand that I actually should study. I'm still struggling with laziness.

    She loves to draw and she always has chance to do that. She also likes to build legos and wooden blocks. She loves to read books and was able to turn pages at 6mo when she could sit up. She enjoys playing pretend play but always need us to participate with her. She seems to really enjoy learning but does not like repeat. Lot of the "learning toys" for her age seems bit boring to her as they just teach letters and colors and she has know those for a while. More advanced learning toys are for older kids and usually require skills that 5 year old has and she has not. She is very social and happy at the daycare and most of the kids there seem quite advanced as well (all of their parents are highly educated).

    Does she seem gifted or just advanced? What kind of activities and toys you would suggest? Should I help her learn to read (I'm pretty sure I could teach her as she already shows some understanding how words are build) or is it better not to help her with that and let her learn it by herself or in school later. I absolutely do not want to be pushy. I'm contend with my situation and how I have made it in life and have no need to make DD to be more intelligent than we are. The dilemma is that if she is more gifted than her parents I do not want to hold her back. I'm already stressing over her schooling as at some point we will go back to Europe and they don't have any gifted programs there. She would actually start school at 7 years old.


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    Originally Posted by oli
    remember school being really easy for me and in subjects that I was not that good I was total underachiever as I did not understand that I should study or do homework. I actually failed my first class in grad school as I did not understand that I actually should study. I'm still struggling with laziness.


    Well, I'm glad by the time you got to graduate school, they finally found something you didn't just completely know on the first try. wink

    Seriously, that is pretty unusual, and probably indicates you are gt. Gifted adults make gifted kids. You sound like you're doing great, trying to find the balance between offering enough info and stimulation to keep a gifted child happy and going overboard to "pushy"...
    This is a great place to read up and find out more. Welcome!

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    I am actually pretty opposed to teaching preschoolers to read unless they specifically ask for help, and then I'd recommend closely following their lead. smile

    As for whether she is gifted, I think it is probably too soon to tell for certain. The good news is that regardless, it sounds like you are doing a great job.

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    Welcome!
    I also think that it is still a little early to add a label. She does sound ahead of the game, which is great. If you follow her lead you will be happy with the results gifted or not.

    As for reading I agree with NONO that the child should initiate interest before formally teaching reading.
    And in the mean time... I suggest the LeapFrog videos, playing on starfall.com, and LOTS of reading to her. There are many fun no pressure ways to introduce pre-reading concepts and if you follow her lead it will be a positive experience.

    And don't be discouraged if she does not start reading early. Most gifted children tend to learn reading quickly, which does not necessarily mean early.
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    Hey, and welcome here.
    I would just like to add, my daughter did not show many early milestones and read at a normal age, as far as I know. But she definitely is gifted, so really, I'd say its too early to tell.

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    Well, I'll play devil's advocate then... the kid speaks two language, has numeric orientation, grasps alphabet, all while too short to get into a huge bed... I'm going way out there (granting an assumption of 24 months not spent in a hothouse) and saying you know - you are just looking for validation. I can't remember the book or article - but it claimed most parents of gifted children knew and knew early on... we all think that ALL parents think their kids are gifted but apparently most don't. For what that's worth... She sounds like she is doing fine. Follow her lead. Ignore non-safety related age markings on kid products. If it keeps a kid safe - follow it. But don't shy away from games and puzzles sold for older kids.

    And above all, try not to think about it :-) Everybody does better imho without over thinking the "terms". And don't stress schooling yet - American "gifted" programs have a nice name but many would argue the overall academic rigor is better - blanket assumption - in european systems so... grass probably isn't greener. It always comes down to working things out with what you have for the kid in need.

    Now go play. You don't "need" educational anything to learn and have fun ;-) Just go play!

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    I agree with kickball. Though not all GT kids hit milestones early, and therefore GTness should not be ruled out at, say, 24 mos., I think that when a toddler or preschooler hits milestones across the board early and is not being hothoused, it's likely the child is GT.

    Kickball gives good advice about what to do, too. smile


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    I guess part of my reluctance to say conclusively that another child is gifted that young (aside from the hothousing/exaggerating issue) is based on my past reluctance to say conclusively that my DD3 is gifted. Well, and also, I'm never really sure where the line between "advanced" and "gifted" is.

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    Sure, most/all of us are not professional assessors. Guessing about a child's gtness over the threads here is a iffy at best.
    But, support-wise, I think it is nice to know if some of the things a parent is seeing ring bells with other parents of kids who've btdt. When their kids have later tested gt, a lot of the things that came up in pre-school years make much more sense.


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    Thank you for all your answers. I don't really need to label her and it is highly unlikely we will ever have her IQ tested. As a first time parents it is difficult for us to recognize what is normal or not. I can not say I never teach her anything as how else could she know the alphabets or some words if they were not pointed out to her! I'm not doing flashcards or anything similar as I'm afraid of pushing her. I'm sure my crazy kid would enjoy them though smile I work full-time so that also restricts my ability to teach her LOL

    My biggest concern is "hothousing"/"helping her get the stimulus she needs" dilemma. She really, really enjoys to learn new things and we have the best time together when we read books and I explain them to her. She was also just smile when she first learned to count to 5 (her learning means just that I tell it to her once and then she knows it). Should I not help her learn anything and restrict our activities to more classical playing activities? How do I know how much learning she needs to be happy (she absolutely needs some) and when is it too much. With learning I do not mean anything school like more just reading about animals, counting while we are driving, drawing and writing with her (she asks me to write words for her)... She is high energy and needs lots of different activities all the time.

    It is difficult to have advance toddler as you can not talk about her with normal ppl with out them thinking you are bragging but then you do not really fit amongst the parents of gifted children as you do not know if you child is gifted or not. I'm sure everybody here knows that already smile

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