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    Thanks Patricia!

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    I actually thought that was the protocol..the decision is made prior.

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    Not to quibble here, but I didn't say substitutions were done post-testing to raise the score - just that that was the usual reason given for doing substitutions.

    I agree that substitution post-testing is not the preferred way to handle things and I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with this approach. And it's not clear from the information given whether the substitutions in this case were done a priori or not.

    I think there is some controversy about the subject w/in the psych-ed community. Nevertheless there are formula's to use when doing substitutions to adjust for the change - so obviously it's being done, one way or the other.

    Even when the substitution is planned in advance, the rational offered for substitution is based on the same assumptions: 1) that the child will perform poorly on the subtests being excluded relative to their expected performance on the substituted subtests and 2) that the better performance is a more accurate assessment of the child's intellectual capacity. While it may not be stated so blatantly, I think higher scores is absolutely the intent of substitution.

    We could talk about what constitutes an accurate assessment of intellectual capacity til the cows come home crazy

    I too am a little jealous since my son's tester did not make any substitutions and he might have scored higher if she had done so.





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    FWIW, I think the choice to substitute was made during the testing and not prior to.

    I want to say that it had to do with distractions and waning focus on DSs part. I could be mistaken, though. (Forgive my recollection, but there was so much info presented/discussed by a number of folks at the meeting that it all kinda runs together.) I so wish I had found this resource prior to the testing and subsequent meetings, but then again, we just figured he was bright and wouldn't have sought out this type of info anyway. <sigh>

    I hope to get the raw scores from the psychologist, not because I feel it will have any impact, but more due to the fact that I like to have an understanding of things like this (and I love numbers).

    At least if anyone ever wants to test him again, I'll have more insight into the process and what the results mean.

    Here's another question I just thought of - are scores on the various tests administered by the schools provided to parents or only to the schools? I've never received any and I know that he's taken the OLSAT and ITBS. Just curious.


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    Originally Posted by Dottie
    Originally Posted by JDAx3
    I want to say that it had to do with distractions and waning focus on DSs part.
    You mean like this?

    Originally Posted by DS's report
    Across both Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning tests, DS's performance declined with order of administration. One explanation for this pattern of performance is that DS became bored with the tasks and his motivation and effort waned. Much of the testing appeared easy for him as he answered quickly and effortlessly and yawned on several occasions.
    cry

    We get some, but not all of the school data. Some I try to get above and beyond. Sometimes I'm successful, sometimes not. It's frustrating, because I too love data!!!

    LOL! So, you must know my son.

    You know, I knew testing was planned for DS, but didn't know when. I assumed that they would have given me a heads up a day or two prior so I could give DS a heads up. He freely admits to not paying attention when he already knows what's being asked/taught, etc. With a little advance notice DS probably would have focused more knowing that the testing was to help make the school situation better for him. Ah well, things are being done and that's all I really ever hoped for so I can't complain too much.

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    Hi,

    To address your question about the meaning of each subtest-- I have a book in my library (at work) called Assessment of children: Wisc-IV and WPPSI-III supplement by Sattler & Dumont. This explains each subtest in detail.

    My son's scores also would have been significantly boosted by substitutions, which were not done.

    But it was sort of interesting to run all the different scenarios.

    JDAx3, did you son's school do the WISC and WIAT for him? If so I think you are lucky!


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    Originally Posted by bronxmom
    Hi,

    To address your question about the meaning of each subtest-- I have a book in my library (at work) called Assessment of children: Wisc-IV and WPPSI-III supplement by Sattler & Dumont. This explains each subtest in detail.

    My son's scores also would have been significantly boosted by substitutions, which were not done.

    But it was sort of interesting to run all the different scenarios.

    JDAx3, did you son's school do the WISC and WIAT for him? If so I think you are lucky!


    Thanks for the book title. I'll have to look at that. And yes, the school did do the WISC and WIAT. We are very pleased with the school and how they are handling things, especially after reading about some of the struggles other parents are dealing with. Every time I read something about school struggles, I'm grateful for DSs teachers and school. My only 'complaint' (not that I would ever look this gift horse in the mouth) is that the testing wasn't completed until January and things weren't put into place until Feb/Mar. BUT, we've got what we needed and at least when we move, we're not starting from scratch.

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    Oh Dottie! Thanks for that sorely needed giggle! I loved the part about the yawning!

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