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    Dottie,
    Can you check into this and let me know if I've heard wrong?

    I've just been at a lecture at the Beyond IQ conference, and the speaker mentioned that there is a way for a child who get a '19' on a subtest to get credit for their correct answers. One needs to have the raw scores, and the extended scoring table. I've also heard that an extended scoring table is in the works for the WIPSI.

    WOW! Isn't that amazing?

    The lecturer, Kathi Kearney, who was nice, funny and really knew what she was talking about, mentioned that with the new weighting of Working Memory and Processing Speed, that a child getting 130 full scale score on the WISC IV isn't 'just a little bit gifted.' She mentioned that the test publishers have noted that Gifted kids are the ones who score Gifted on Full Scaler OR the General Abilities Index OR Performance IQ ALONE OR Verbal IQ ALONE. And the the information is availible on the website and that School Psychologists 'should' be aware of this and using it in their daily school decisions. WOW!

    If anyone can find a link to this particular Grail, I would very much appreciate it. I'm back to the conference! smile smile


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    I'm waiting on the WPPSI tables, and I'm thrilled to hear they're in the works! I've seen the WISC table, but I'm not at home to link it. frown


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    Our district doesn't accept outside test results.

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    Originally Posted by Cathy A
    Our district doesn't accept outside test results.

    What does that mean? I don't follow.

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    Some school districts require that testing be done by them. Specific tests given by specific people. Most of us chose to have private testing done and there is no guarantee that the school district will actually acknowledge it.


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    Here ya go, Grin:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpearsonassess.com%2FNR%2Frdonlyres%2FC1C19227-BC79-46D9-B43C-8E4A114F7E1F%2F0%2FWISCIV_TechReport_7.pdf&ei=C0HrSY-UOJa8M9qfxfEF&usg=AFQjCNFMRiwF4fZueemT0uQgLlXlf1sBRQ

    I don't know how to make the link pretty ... crazy


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    Thanks Mia!

    Mia's Link

    Now, can anyone find those magic words that say that a child who scores 130 on either Verbal or Performance, but not both, is still gifted?

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    Hmm ... not sure if this is quite it, but I thought this article was an interesting read either way:

    http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/About_GDC/whoaregiftd.htm


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    Originally Posted by Dottie
    VCI 106, well rounded data
    PRI 135, lopsided with 12, 16 and 19 in Matrix Reasoning
    WMI 80
    PSI 106
    FSIQ 106

    Achievement on the WIAT ranging from 84 to only 104, and while the higher scores (101 and 105) were in "thinking" categories, the scores are far from gifted levels.

    This kid has a fluke ability there with the matrix reasoning, and is probably a very visual learner, but I don't think he would fit at all with most GT programs, despite the "gifted" PRI.

    Just out of curiosity since you know him, is the regular classroom a good fit for him? I'm just wondering if maybe kids like that still have a need, but maybe a different need than someone who is more globally gifted? And I have no idea when I ask, I'm not trying to lead the discussion everywhere. smile (But I do have this bias of idealism that wants every child in a classroom to have their needs met at all ends of the spectrum. crazy )

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    This article has some points to consider that tie into the discussion. Keep in mind it's about the WISC III and not the WISC-IV.

    http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/PDF_files/tstresults.pdf

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    Second, discrepancies among subtest scores are much greater among the gifted than among any other group. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) (American Psychiatric Association, 1994), which establishes the criteria used by mental health professionals for various diagnoses, provides clear admonition against averaging subtest scores when they are highly discrepant.
    When there is significant scatter in the subtest scores, the profile of strengths and weaknesses, rather than the mathematically derived full-scale IQ, will more accurately reflect the person�s learning abilities. When there is a marked discrepancy across verbal and performance scores, averaging to obtain a full-scale IQ score can be misleading. (p. 40)
    This advice appears in the DSM-IV under the section on mental retardation. We recommend that the same caveat be used with the gifted. When discrepancies among subtest scores exceed 9 points, or when Verbal IQ and Performance IQ scores vary 15 or more points, the child�s strengths and weaknesses should be discussed separately rather
    than averaged. The strengths should be used as the best indication of the child�s giftedness.

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    There are many nuances in both testing and test interpretation with the gifted that are not common knowledge. False positives are very unlikely: scores in the gifted range do not occur "accidentally" because one can�t fake abstract reasoning (Silverman, 1986). However, false negatives are abundant. Many more children are gifted than test in the gifted range. Underestimation of gifted children�s abilities, unfortunately, is much more common than accurate appraisal. When the examiner knows enough about giftedness to recognize this inherent danger in testing, all test results are subjected to confirmation with other data. If, for example, a child�s reading achievement score is 160, but the IQ score is 125, the IQ score must be an underestimate. It is impossible for a child to achieve beyond his or her capabilities. (This is why "overachiever" is an oxymoron.) Therefore, we recommend that the highest indicator of a child�s abilities at any age should be seen as the best estimate of the child�s giftedness. When other measures fall short of this indicator, the examiner needs to search carefully to determine possible causes of the underestimate.

    Bottomline:

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    In the end, diagnosis of the degree of a child�s advancement must be based upon clinical judgment, not just on psychometric data.

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