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Re: Which math class? ajinlove #230823 05/18/16 11:02 AM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 816 L Loy58 Member
Loy58 Member L Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 816	Originally Posted by ajinlove Since we are talking about RIT/MAP test a bit here, I have a question regarding the test. DS9 in third grade scored 224 on his spring math MAP test. He is in challenged math class which is about half year accelerated in math. A girl in his homeroom class who is in the advanced math class (one full year acceleration) scored 250 something. Does the exposure to the material have an effect on the score if the same test is given? I am wondering about this because I have been advocating for my DYS DS7 to get into third grade challenged math class (instead of differentiation in class) when he's in 2nd grade. However, the school will not consider this option until he takes the MAP test and CogAT in the fall. I currently use Beast Academy as supplement for him on the weekends and will move in a faster pace during the summer. I am wondering if this will help with his MAP test score in the fall. TIA IMO, yes. Exposure matters. I will also say, however, that our school ignores NWEA's score guidelines and keeps giving the test, regardless of the score, based on grade level. It would seem that the 2-5 test indeed has some sort of ceiling as mentioned by longcut here, and that the other student's precise score is questionable - she needs to be transitioned to the 6+ test to more accurately show growth (or growth will stall due to the ceiling effects). Stalled growth can be very frustrating for the student and concerning for the parent. Your DS, though, should still have some headroom in this version of the test. Also, FWIW, in class differentiation has rarely worked for us. After 2 years of attempting in class differentiation, during which DS said he was learning nothing, right now it looks like DYS DS7 will be SSA in math next year. In his case, I honestly think that it has taken 2 years for the school to realize what level of math he is at...they kept trying to "enrich him," not fully grasping that he wasn't slightly ahead, but years ahead. To be fair to the school, I don't think they see it very often. Keep advocating!

Re: Which math class? Loy58 #230826 05/18/16 11:31 AM
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ajinlove Member A Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 228	Loy58, Thank you for your answer to my question. The in-class differentiation that DS7 is currently doing is not working for him. He needs to be in a pull out accelerated class. He's not motivated to learn and work on questions on his own. There is not much push and challenge from the teacher. In a group setting, I think it will work much better for him. I will keep advocating!

Re: Which math class? Loy58 #230847 05/18/16 04:39 PM
Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 72 M mom2R&R Member
mom2R&R Member M Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 72	Originally Posted by Loy58 Originally Posted by mom2R&R I find it very interesting that people on this forum seem to have experiences that indicate that the version on the RIT/MAP test changes the question bank and therefore greatly impacts how to interpret the scores. My DS6 in first grade, scored a 147 on his winter MAP-P, and was then switched into a 3rd grade math class. I questioned the district's acceleration/enrichment specialist on the version of the test and whether or not he could take the 2-5 version with his math class instead of his homeroom. They were very clear that the test would automatically move into the next set of questions and there was no difference. I doubted this information, based on what I've learned here and read on the NWEA website. My son just took the end of year test (I don't know how he scored), but his "scrap" paper that he used had some pretty impressive problems on it. He was trying to figure out 14 divided by 4, as he said he need it to solve a larger problem. He said the test was hard. He has strong mathematical reasoning skills, which I think helps him to make correct guesses when given multiple choice questions, even in topics he has little experience with. Personally, I'm not putting too much weight on his score. I think his needs are being met, as he will be in a compacted 4th/5th grade math program next year as a second grader. Just wanted to add what our school district is saying about the test. (BTW, our school district is the largest in our state). Either NWEA is not communicating clearly with our school district, or perhaps it's true that the tests can access other question banks? HiMom2R&R - I know that we've chatted before on this issue: http://giftedissues.davidsongifted....st_time_here_RIT_math_sc.html#Post218414, but I'll just share that my DYS DS7 has now had an identical score on the MAP-P and the MAP 2-5 and the types of problems that he needed to solve on the 2-5 to get the same score are not even comparable. So, oddly, although his score does not reflect it, I feel strongly that he has made growth. I believe this both based on the questions he said that he needed to answer on both versions, as well, as yes...I saw his scratch paper. Loy58- Thank you. I believe you completely, which is why I find it so frustrating that the school system continues to tell me there is no difference in the test. Oh well, as long as his scores and how they are interpreted are not negatively impacting his math instruction at school, I'm trying not to worry about it. It just makes me hesitant of giving the scores much weight in my mind.

Re: Which math class? longcut #230867 05/19/16 09:41 AM
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longcut Member L Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 266	Originally Posted by longcut Common Core MAP Mathematics: NWEA Recommendations for Transitioning Students from 2 � 5 to 6+ Based on these observations, our recommendation is that students who score at the 90th percentile (231) or higher on the 2 � 5 mathematics test in the fall of fifth grade be transitioned into more advanced sixth grade (or higher) instruction... I found the transition document for MAP MPG to MAP 2-5 NWEA Recommendations for Transitioning Students from MPG to MAP 2 � 5 "NWEA recommends the following for consideration when making the decision to transition students from MPG to MAP 2 � 5. � Can the student read with enough fluency to receive an accurate and valid score on the MAP 2 � 5 Reading assessment? � Has the student been exposed to the content that will be tested in MAP 2 � 5? � Is the student scoring ≥ 190 on the MPG Reading test or ≥ 200 on the MPG Mathematics test?"

Re: Which math class? Melisa #230870 05/19/16 10:19 AM
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mom2R&R Member M Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 72	Thank you longcut- that is helpful. It's interesting though, that on the very last page it has a chart that states that a first grader should still take MPG, not MAP 2-5, even if their scores is over 200. It states a few pages earlier, "We recommend that all first graders take MPG Mathematics, because they are not likely to have been introduced to a large portion of the content in the grades 2 � 5 Mathematics assessment." Since my son is now in a 3rd grade math class, he really should have taken the 2-5 test. Oh well, regardless I wouldn't change his math placement for next year, so I probably won't make a big deal over it. But I will save this to advocate for him next year. Thanks!

Re: Which math class? Melisa #230871 05/19/16 10:24 AM
Joined: May 2016 Posts: 10 V Virginiamomq Junior Member
Virginiamomq Junior Member V Joined: May 2016 Posts: 10	The interface for the MAP P is very different from that of the MAP 2-5. The MAP P reads the child the question and has a lot of graphics. The higher versions require the child to read the questions him or herself and there are fewer problems that are "game-like" and require things like dragging and dropping. From what we've been told many schools are don't like to move children who are very young up to a higher MAP test because they are concerned the child's reading skills may influence their performance and give them a lower result than their actual knowledge.

Re: Which math class? longcut #230892 05/19/16 07:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 228 A ajinlove Member
ajinlove Member A Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 228	Originally Posted by longcut I found the transition document for MAP MPG to MAP 2-5 NWEA Recommendations for Transitioning Students from MPG to MAP 2 � 5 "NWEA recommends the following for consideration when making the decision to transition students from MPG to MAP 2 � 5. � Can the student read with enough fluency to receive an accurate and valid score on the MAP 2 � 5 Reading assessment? � Has the student been exposed to the content that will be tested in MAP 2 � 5? � Is the student scoring ≥ 190 on the MPG Reading test or ≥ 200 on the MPG Mathematics test?" DS7 got 213 on math and 207 on reading when he took the k-2 MAP test last fall. The school gave him the 2-5 math test in the winter after I asked for acceleration. He got 199, which they determined he was at middle of 3rd grade level. So sounds like they were following these guidelines....

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