Gifted Bulletin Board

Welcome to the Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

We invite you to share your experiences and to post information about advocacy, research and other gifted education issues on this free public discussion forum.
CLICK HERE to Log In. Click here for the Board Rules.

Links


Learn about Davidson Academy Online - for profoundly gifted students living anywhere in the U.S. & Canada.

The Davidson Institute is a national nonprofit dedicated to supporting profoundly gifted students through the following programs:

  • Fellows Scholarship
  • Young Scholars
  • Davidson Academy
  • THINK Summer Institute

  • Subscribe to the Davidson Institute's eNews-Update Newsletter >

    Free Gifted Resources & Guides >

    Who's Online Now
    0 members (), 156 guests, and 40 robots.
    Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
    Newest Members
    anon125, BarbaraBarbarian, signalcurling, saclos, rana tunga
    11,541 Registered Users
    November
    S M T W T F S
    1 2
    3 4 5 6 7 8 9
    10 11 12 13 14 15 16
    17 18 19 20 21 22 23
    24 25 26 27 28 29 30
    Previous Thread
    Next Thread
    Print Thread
    Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 1
    S
    New Member
    Offline
    New Member
    S
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 1
    Actually, the calculation of the FSIQ from the Sum of Scaled Scores isn't magical (nor proprietary). No table is required as there is a simple one-to-one correspondence between the Sum of Scaled Scores and the FSIQ. It would be the same as someone calculating the Percentile Rank from a Composite Score. It is just basic statistics.

    FSIQ = 25 + 0.75*S where S is the Sum of Scaled Scores.

    Here's the statistical reasoning for anyone interested...

    The Sum of Scaled Scores is the sum of the 10 Subtest Scaled Scores. Each Subtest Scaled Score ranges from 1-19 with a mean of 10 and a standard deviation of 3. Each is assumed to be normally distributed. The Sum of Scaled Scores follows a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 20. The only difference between the Sum of Scaled Scores and the FSIQ is that the FSIQ has a standard deviation of 15 (not 20). You can easily convert from one normal distribution to another, so if you know the Sum of Scaled Scores, you know the Fulll Scale Composite Score (FSIQ):

    FSIQ = 100 + ((15/20)*(S-100)) <- same as above, before simplication

    The 100's are the means of the two distributions and the 15 and 20 are their standard deviations. All of this can be obtained by publically released information.



    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    F
    Junior Member
    OP Offline
    Junior Member
    F
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    Please show me the thread where these scores are posted. The ratings where as follows.

    Verbal Comprehension Index Very Superior
    Perceptual Reasoning Index Very Superior
    Working Memory Index High Average
    Processing Speed Index Superior


    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posts: 1,694
    M
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    M
    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posts: 1,694
    You're right of course even with a big spread it does, to some extent, give you an idea of likely "performance-in-a-classroom" potential (as compared to actual reasoning ability).

    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    F
    Junior Member
    OP Offline
    Junior Member
    F
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    Can you show me where some of those threads are?

    Verbal Comprehension Index Very Superior
    Perceptual Reasoning Index Very Superior
    Working Memory Index High Average
    Processing Speed Index Superior


    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 45
    P
    Junior Member
    Offline
    Junior Member
    P
    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 45
    Here are the composite scores associated with the classification labels:

    Very Superior: >= 130
    Superior: 120-129
    High Average: 110-119
    Average: 90-109
    Low Average: 80-89
    Borderline: 70-79



    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 45
    P
    Junior Member
    Offline
    Junior Member
    P
    Joined: Dec 2012
    Posts: 45
    Originally Posted by MumOfThree
    You're right of course even with a big spread it does, to some extent, give you an idea of likely "performance-in-a-classroom" potential (as compared to actual reasoning ability).

    And the GAI gives you an idea of likely "performance-in-a-classroom potential" if the teachers accommodate any issues that may be impacting processing speed and working memory. That's why it's so important that educators understand the importance of all the composite scores. Maybe someday they will (wishful thinking, I know).

    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posts: 1,694
    M
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    M
    Joined: Apr 2011
    Posts: 1,694
    indeed.

    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    F
    Junior Member
    OP Offline
    Junior Member
    F
    Joined: Oct 2013
    Posts: 5
    Thanks so much that.

    Do you have a table which I could use to estimate the subset scores based on index given? for VCI, WMI et.c

    Joined: Jun 2017
    Posts: 9
    B
    Junior Member
    Offline
    Junior Member
    B
    Joined: Jun 2017
    Posts: 9
    Question for StatGuru,

    Thank you so much for the info about calculating FISQ from WISC IV scaled scores.
    Would you please be able to tell me how that works for the WISC V with a mean of 70?







    Joined: Apr 2014
    Posts: 4,076
    Likes: 6
    A
    aeh Offline
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    A
    Joined: Apr 2014
    Posts: 4,076
    Likes: 6
    Actually, it's not quite as simple as has been portrayed above. There is a table for calculating the FSIQ on the WISC-V, and it doesn't equate quite as easily to the mean of the Index scores. In addition to updated norms, the WISC-V is somewhat different from the WISC-IV on several levels (5 indices vs 4, different weighting of cognitive areas, different tasks feeding into the indices, etc.). With regard to the FSIQ, there is a notable difference that arises from the inclusion of only 7 subtests, rather than the 10 used for calculation of the 5 primary index scores.

    Based on the mean index score you report, you may wish to seek further clarification from the professional who completed the evaluation, as that range is likely to be out of the experience of most of the posters on this forum.

    pm'd you.


    ...pronounced like the long vowel and first letter of the alphabet...
    Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

    Moderated by  M-Moderator 

    Link Copied to Clipboard
    Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5