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I have a friend who dislikes Agricola because right at the instant when you think your family is finally about to be a success, the game ends.

Exactly! Then once you have figured it out they add a bunch of cards to make it impossible.

We've been playing Forbidden Island and really like it. This game could be played by a bright nonreader, I think.

Just ordered it. Thanks!

Hi! I haven't been around for a bit but we have started playing a game that I really felt needed to be added to this list.

Sentinels of the Multiverse

It's a cooperative strategy game where the hero's come together to beat the villain. DS6 loves the good guy/bad guy aspect. It requires the ability to read and to understand strategy/multiple game mechanics at once.

This game states 13 and up but DS6 has been playing it since he was 5 and it is almost the only game he asks for now. He gets so into it that he'll start jumping up and down on the chair anticipating moves. I highly recommend this one.

Okay you guys: Settlers of Catan, Carcassone, Dominion, or Ticket to Ride for DD9 and DS5 as our first Euro game? DS5 is a very good game player with a very long attention span. DD9 hates violence and is bored by military-ish stuff.

It would be nice if they could play with just the two of them. Not sure what to say about game length. Long can be good but short is a nice option.

I don't think we have Dominion so can't comment on that one. Ticket to Ride makes me crazy--it is tedious and very frustrating in my opinion, although I know most people like it. I would go with either Settlers or Carcassonne.

Wait--we do have Dominion, but haven't tried it with the kids. I think it would be hard for a kid to win if an adult is actually trying, and therefore frustrating for everyone.

I'm not sure if this game is in print anymore, but El Grande is a really good area control game and one of my favorite games (for probably upper elementary kids not young ones)

I enjoy Ticket to Ride. DS5 likes Carcassonne, but doesn't play it very competitively yet. He likes announcing that he is a "thief in the road," though. DD9 likes Dominion, although it can be very slow with kids playing.

If I'm allowed to pick "other," Takenoko is fun and does not require any reading. Plus the pieces are very cute.