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    http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/12/teachers-dont-like-creative-students.html
    Teachers Don�t Like Creative Students
    by Alex Tabarrok on December 12, 2011

    One of the most consistent findings in educational studies of creativity has been that teachers dislike personality traits associated with creativity. Research has indicated that teachers prefer traits that seem to run counter to creativity, such as conformity and unquestioning acceptance of authority (e.g., Bachtold, 1974; Cropley, 1992; Dettmer, 1981; Getzels & Jackson, 1962; Torrance, 1963). The reason for teachers� preferences is quite clear creative people tend to have traits that some have referred to as obnoxious (Torrance, 1963). Torrance (1963) described creative people as not having the time to be courteous, as refusing to take no for an answer, and as being negativistic and critical of others. Other characteristics, although not deserving the label obnoxious, nonetheless may not be those most highly valued in the classroom.

    �.Research has suggested that traits associated with creativity may not only be neglected, but actively punished (Myers & Torrance, 1961; Stone, 1980). Stone (1980) found that second graders who scored highest on tests of creativity were also those identified by their peers as engaging in the most misbehavior (e.g., �getting in trouble the most�). Given that research and theory (e.g., Harrington, Block, & Block, 1987) suggest that a supportive environment is important to the fostering of creativity, it is quite possible that teachers are (perhaps unwittingly) extinguishing creative behaviors.

    From Creativity: Asset or Burden in the Classroom?, a good review paper. What the paper shows is that the characteristics that teachers use to describe their favorite student correlate negatively with the characteristics associated with creativity. In addition, although teachers say that they like creative students, teachers also say creative students are �sincere, responsible, good-natured and reliable.� In other words, the teachers don�t know what creative students are actually like. (FYI, the research design would have been stronger if the researchers had actually tested the students for creativity.) As a result, schooling has a negative effect on creativity.

    My experience as a parent is consistent with the idea that teachers don�t like creative students but I try not to blame the teachers too much. Creative people, for better and worse, ignore social conventions. Thus, it can be hard for teachers to deal with creative students in a classroom setting where they must guide 20-30 students en masse. As Jonah Lehrer puts it:

    Would you really want a little Picasso in your class? How about a baby Gertrude Stein? Or a teenage Eminem? The point is that the classroom isn�t designed for impulsive expression � that�s called talking out of turn. Instead, it�s all about obeying group dynamics and exerting focused attention. Those are important life skills, of course, but decades of psychological research suggest that such skills have little to do with creativity.

    One hope I have for personalized learning, ala the Khan Academy, is that teachers will not feel the need to suppress creative students when classroom dynamics do not require that all the students follow all the rules all the time .

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    A commenter at the blog mentioned Paul Graham's essay "What You'll Wish You'd Known" http://www.paulgraham.com/hs.html , which reminds of Cal Newport's book "How to Be a High School Superstar".

    I think it's hard for teachers to encourage creativity, but students should not regard doing well in school as their sole intellectual goal.



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    Great find.

    Originally Posted by Bostonian
    , which reminds of Cal Newport's book "How to Be a High School Superstar".

    http://calnewport.com/blog/

    DW and I have had the same debate about Mr W's schooling. We both took very crooked paths. How to gain for him rigor and a deep education whilst setting him free?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_of_Gifts



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    Originally Posted by Bostonian
    I think it's hard for teachers to encourage creativity, but students should not regard doing well in school as their sole intellectual goal.

    For a long time, doing well in school (well, really, doing better than everyone else) was my only life goal.

    I never did replace it with anything else.

    I've been goal-less for years.

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    Originally Posted by JonLaw
    Originally Posted by Bostonian
    I think it's hard for teachers to encourage creativity, but students should not regard doing well in school as their sole intellectual goal.

    For a long time, doing well in school (well, really, doing better than everyone else) was my only life goal.

    I never did replace it with anything else.

    I've been goal-less for years.

    Jon, I'm suspecting your unstated goal is to eschew goals. smile


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