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Hey guys,
My 7 year old son was recently tested through school due to some behavior issues both the teacher and I noticed (reversing letters, organizationally challanged, talking back, difficulty staying on task, inability to deal with changes in plans, excessive talking, repeating himself, etc).
When my son was entering kindergarten in this school system (in 1st grade now) I asked them to skip him to 1st and was told that wasn't an option. I told them at that time he would get board and have behavior issues and surprise, surprise! I feel like it would be too late to skip grades now as he has several friends in his grade so I'm a little stuck.
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Age 7 years 3 months
test: WISC-IV
Scale Sum scaled composite score Percentile
VCI 44 128 97
PRI 44 129 97
WMI 33 138 99
PSI 34 138 99
FSIQ 155 141 99.7
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Let me know if you need more information...theres breakouts on all of the above scores but I'm not sure what any of it means. I'm just starting to research online.
I have a meeting with the schoool on Monday to discuss the results and would like some input please. It is much appreciated! I just want to be ready for their response of...well, he's just smart...we will give him more worksheets. Unfortunately that's the response I got from his teacher when we spoke at his conference in November.
Thank you,
Alicia J
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Here's the sub-data for each category:
VCI
Similarities: raw 22, scaled 16 - 98%ile
Vocabulary: raw 34, scaled 16 - 98%ile
Comprehension: raw 17, scaled 12 - 75%ile
PRI (perceptual reasoning)
Block Design: raw 26, scaled 13 - 84%ile
Pic concepts: raw 20, scaled 17 - 99%ile
Matrix Reasoning: raw 18, scaled 14 - 91%ile
WMI (working memory)
Digit Span: raw 17, scaled 15 - 95%ile
Letter-Number Sequencing: raw 21, scaled 18 - 99.6%ile
PSI (proc speed)
Digit-Symbol Coding: raw 61, scaled 16 - 98%ile
Symbol Search: raw 43, scaled 18 - 99.6%ile
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I agree that you have to be very very careful with a profile like this. Your son is gifted, but I wouldn't expect him to be as 'way way' far out there as the FSIQ of 99.7 seems to indicate. See how the really outstanding scores are WMI and PSI. To my interpretation, those scores are 'inflating' the Full Scale score.
Get him checked for ADD, LDs, Visual issues, Auditory Processing issues. It may be that he has really good friends because there are a lot of bright kids in his class who he is a good fit with. Or not. An IQ score is one picture of performance on one particular day. Then you have a seperate problem, which is demonstrating unusual need without scores that reflect the kid.
Does he seem like a mentally quick kid with a superb memory who is at about the 97% percentile of thinking skills or something else?
Mentally quick and superb memory are wonderful skills to have, but the don't generalize to intellectual ability. The VCI and PRI clock in at the 97th percentile, and while this is definitely gifted, one can't assume that it's so gifted that the regular classroom is a bad fit. Again assuming the test is a good reflection - which is a big assumption.
Do you have any achievement testing or other tests?
It would be nice if your school happend to use MAP tests so you can really compare apples to apples achievement-wise.
Best Wishes,
Grinity
Coaching available, at SchoolSuccessSolutions.com
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I agree that you have to be very very careful with a profile like this. Your son is gifted, but I wouldn't expect him to be as 'way way' far out there as the FSIQ of 99.7 seems to indicate. See how the really outstanding scores are WMI and PSI. To my interpretation, those scores are 'inflating' the Full Scale score.
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Mentally quick and superb memory are wonderful skills to have, but the don't generalize to intellectual ability. The VCI and PRI clock in at the 97th percentile, and while this is definitely gifted, one can't assume that it's so gifted that the regular classroom is a bad fit.
Best Wishes,
Grinity In the name of curiousity, can you expound on this part Grinity? I only ask, because my son has about a 20 point difference in verbal and performance on the WPPSI, only going the other way, verbal was much higher than performance, so I wonder if his FSIQ is also inflated because of the high verbal?
Last edited by Amber; 05/22/11 07:18 AM.
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My 7 year old son was recently tested through school due to some behavior issues both the teacher and I noticed (reversing letters, organizationally challanged, talking back, difficulty staying on task, inability to deal with changes in plans, excessive talking, repeating himself, etc). How much of a problem is the inability to deal with changes in plans? Is he just reluctant, or does he have meltdowns? Were I in your shoes I would seek a private evaluation for Asperger's/ autism spectrum disorders. Sometimes it doesn't get caught in bright kids because they're so bright. This batch of issues has enough Asperger's flags in it that you don't want to rely on just the school's opinion-- get a neuropsych or a developmental pediatrician who really knows autism and giftedness to evaluate. DeeDee
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I would add my voice to the others suggesting further evaluation, and point out that comprehension, which is primarily *social* comprehension on the WISC, is significantly (1.3 SD) lower than his other verbal subscores, both of which were at the 98th percentile. This is pretty common in Asperger's.
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I'm not Grinity, but I really liked what she wrote above, so I'll tackle a response while we wait for her return.
Verbal comprehension is more "stand alone" than working memory or processing speed. The perceptual score is similar, though perhaps not as strong. Some GT programs will even allow admittance using VCI or PRI independently (as well as GAI or FSIQ). The working memory and processing speed are nice bonuses, and certainly do contribute to overall intelligent performance, but I know of no GT program that admits based solely on either WMI or PSI.
It's unusual for a kid to have higher WMI/PSI scores (than PRI/VCI). It's an interesting profile. Exaggerating the scores a bit to where VCI and PRI are average, and WMI/PSI are superior, a child might end up with a FSIQ IQ in the 120+ range. This child is not likely to be a deep thinker though, given the lower verbal score. He would likely struggle in time with placement with other 120 level children, with more rounded profiles.
I did look up your kid's profile Amber, and your "lower" PRI is nothing to worry about. Both scores are very high. If anything though, it's likely your child is closer in innate ability to the VCI, as that is often credited as the better indicator of stand alone ability. I don't mean to short-change the PRI, which is also fairly good. Again, both are high in your child's case.
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The GAI doesn't apply for the WPPSI Amber, but roughly speaking, given similar scores on the WISC-IV, the GAI would be even higher than the FSIQ you were given. Oh, gotcha! Thank you for explaining that. I had a response or two in my first post about his score that said the difference could possibly be a LD, and his preschool teacher seems confident that he has "an attention deficit," so when I come across things like this I try to read between the lines so to speak to see if I can figure some of this out. (For the record, my DH and I disagree with the ADD concern, but that's a topic for another post. ;)) Thanks again Dottie!
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