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    My older dd, who I don't believe is 2e, had an 11 pt scatter w/in PRI and a 7 point scatter w/in VCI. In her case, I'd attribute a lot of it to meticulous tendencies and significant anxiety having come off a really bad school year in which the teacher spent a lot of time yelling at her.

    My youngest, who is 2e, had a 4 pt spread w/in PRI and 7 and 3 point spread in VCI (two different testings).

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    Originally Posted by Cricket2
    My older dd, who I don't believe is 2e, .. significant anxiety
    Anxiety counts as an 'e' - but I hope this was temporary! Teachers can be such a precious gift, or just the opposite.
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    Originally Posted by Grinity
    Originally Posted by Cricket2
    My older dd, who I don't believe is 2e, .. significant anxiety
    Anxiety counts as an 'e' - but I hope this was temporary! Teachers can be such a precious gift, or just the opposite.
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    Yeah, she's good now -- very centered and confident. We've just never retested IQ. Curiosity doesn't seem like a good enough reason and she's gotten what she needs school wise b/c she's such a high achiever and her overall IQ score was high enough (and included some really high subtest scores like 19+) that the rarity of them seems to have struck the people who mattered in placement decisions.

    She still harbors bad feelings toward her 1st grade teacher, though wink . We homeschooled the end of that year it was such a mess.

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    My son had a 50 point spread between all of his scores and the processing/speed score. He was tested when he was 6. Later, we found out that he is hearing impaired! We didn't know. Now he has a hearing aid and an FM system and is doing great.
    We never retested so I have no idea if that got better. I think the brain is plastic and I believe/hope that his brain will rewire itself, if not normally, at least better.

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    Originally Posted by jack'smom
    My son had a 50 point spread between all of his scores and the processing/speed score.
    I, at least, am talking about scaled scores: the ones that range from 1-19. My dds both had index scores for the complete indices that ranged about 40 points. Within indices, the scaled scores ranged from 8s to 19s (25th percentile to 99.9th) for my eldest and actually even more if we take into account extending the 19 with extended norms.

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    With the research I've done on 2E kids, you are looking for scatter to help "confirm" in a psychologist's friend's opinion of what you "already know". For example, with my kiddo: He's a very bright boy who has ADHD and Anxiety. : )

    He also said another way of looking at it with the old CSE model is that it IS evidence of what amounts to a learning disability if you are looking at a significant discrepancy between a WISC and a WIAT, as in my kid's case. However, it means little unless your 2E kid isn't being successful academically. In our case, our DS is still doing well in school so it doesn't help our "case".

    I don't think you doubt the IQ score but there was a lot of evidence I found that in particular 2e populations, scatter is much more common, particular when it is large scatter. It did indicate that if you have what you believe to be a 2e child with scatter that you should not necessarily disqualify them from a GT program based on only a FS and that it will be especially important to consider ALL of the indices on their own.

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    I was talking about percentiles. His processing speed scaled score was like 9 on those subtests and then some of the other scaled scores were 18. We are probably saying the same thing!
    Gee, his percentile rank on the WISC coding seciton was 37% and on the similarities was 99.6%.

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    I am itching to receive DD1s subtest scores. After getting DD2 tested I asked the psych if she could provide DD1s subtest scores too and she's agreed to dig them out of the archives for me some time in the next few weeks. As it stands we know that DD1 had 43 points between her VCI and WMI, I am incredibly curious to know though what the scatter was inside each index.

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