as a college professor, trust me, no one is sitting through a 3 hour lecture!!! smile But I see your point, i was reading somewhere on Hoagies or SENG last night something about explaining the rules of sharing behavior to a gifted 5 year old and then expecting them to not grab it and say its mine because they have the intellectual capacity to understand the rules. Acting with that knowledge is a different thing. This seems to hit at the core that people get into with gifted definitions and programs, ds can read at 6 grade level but can't write his name on the line - so what level is he taught at and how, and then the whole grade skip argument. Which developmental level matters? This becomes very philosophical!