All right, have you gals been at my dinner table recently? DS was complaining about math - the repetition (he is completing 3 column add/sub) and said that he "hates math." Scary words from one that young. DT (dear teacher) recommended the times tables at conference in October (unrelated to the current "hates math" due to the many 3 column worksheets). I will suggest the geometry approach. Our school uses EM (Everyday Math) and it spirals up and down and can seem very repetitious. I don't want to force it. I do think the patterns approach might work... It's worth a try without a hard sell as is the music in the car. DT is stickler this year - any math errors have to be rewritten - the whole problem not just erasing and correcting. Same for vocab/spelling. I will ask her about alternatives to "drill and kill." Perhaps she can give him work from ancillary material rather than the current wkbk. Inky - I like breaking it up into parts - nice trick...Thx!