You may want to read my last thread on the issue...as usual, I think our kids must be related. It is isolating to be absolutely useless with a ball. Ds9 does not even want to go the altar kids meeting any more because they always end up playing soccer (altar boys used to be DHs sanctuary because it was the one place in the village for the kids not interested in sports). He loves kayaking practice in the pool, hates that it always ends with a bit of "fun", ie water polo. Hates having to compete for the ball to be able to play. Can't tell you what it is, just hope they'll eventually find their niche, and their peeps.