I work in a STEM field, so here's a real-life example: One of our brilliant researchers was presenting a paper to a group of engineers (and me, the PM). Yes of course there was an intro about the problem space and the challenge we're looking at solving. Then he says "so as you can plainly see..." and pulls up whole page of equations. I topped out in Calc II in college and these looked only vaguely familiar. But he lead a spirited discussion of the results with the group and there was general agreement as to the ramifications.
This is about as far as EM as you can get IMHO.
Oh, and EM confused and killed my daughter's love of math too.
