Originally Posted by CFK
You might be seeing a localized problem. Or your daughter was just in a very poor school fit. My kids were educated through three school districts in two vastly different geographical locations and we never saw this.

I saw something very like what HK describes when I went to school in a blue-collar city without a university, where between studies, extracurricular activities, volunteering, and after-school jobs, several kids I knew well were getting 3-4 hours of sleep a night. Some of them were the ones who would yell at me when we got our grades in, because, "You didn't even study!"

Back then, a bachelor's degree wouldn't necessarily cost you 7 years of indentured servitude. And my competition pool for #1 wouldn't have been as deep, due to the demographic differences between my school and HK's (I probably would not have made the top 0.5% of my graduating class in HK's school without doing some math homework). So for these reasons, I would expect HK to see more and worse cases than the ones I saw.