Through 12/31/08 you/your child can take a new test, The Gibson Cognitive Skills Test. It appears they are still collecting data for developing standardized scores. I'm wondering if everyone here took the test if we'd skew the numbers???

This test was authored by the founder of LearningRx.

Interesting. I signed up DS7, though I'm not sure when he'll have time to take it. Maybe tomorrow afternoon...

Thanks! I appreciate the link! I'm always looking for free/cheap ways to see how we're doing.

I'm interested in hearing how your DS7 does compared to other data you have. GS9 did not do as well in some areas as I expected. A couple problems with it that I saw, we're working on a laptop with about a 12 inch screen. The small screen messed with his visual/spatial results. I don't have a mouse hooked up, we're using the touch pad and I heard him say 'oops' a couple times. There didn't appear to be any way to correct 'oops' when accidental clicks are made.
Also, it's very verbal, and we had some noise interference.
Other areas, like processing speed and working memory, was very high, I wouldn't have guessed that after telling him to do several things and only getting a response on one of the items!

Interesting. It doesn't sound like a fabulous test design. I appreciate the advanced warning about the "oops" problem and the sound.

And LOL about the response. Boy, do I know how that is! (And wish I didn't!)

thanks! I signed up both DS9 and DS6 - I'm interested to see how/what they do.

I signed myself up after a quick "yes" from my parents. :] I'll have to see about taking the test tomorrow or so. Thanks for the link!

I signed myself and DS6 up for the test. Looks like they are looking for adults to take the test as well. Anyone else going to try it themselves?

I will take it tomorrow after I get out of work. I will also have DS6 take it tomorrow evening.

I just had DS6 take it. The age equivalents seem a little wonky. He had an age equiv. of 14 yrs. for auditory processing?!

Yeah, I think it's a little wonky -- ds is sleeping, so I took it.

I got 16 of 18 on one section, which gave me a 65th percentile? Seems a little off to me ... I think they need a *lot* more data for norming!

Today's the last day to take it free of charge.

I took it, too. I've been aware of some auditory processing issues over the last few years. I was surprised that I tested average in that category for my age. It's been very frustrating for me, so much so that I hardly use a phone any more.

Apparently my memory is very bad, and my visual and auditory processing.

Am I missing something here? My composite was a mere 115, but that landed me at 84th percentile for everyone taking the test, not just my age. That doesn't sound right... :\

Lina, they are still collecting data, so this could be very much off from a test that's been used much more often. This test is also developed by the founder of LearningRx, there was a thread here recently about that place.
You may be able to use this data as just a piece of information that might help, but I wouldn't place any importance on it. BTW, if you really do just have a 115 composite, then you have one heck of a work ethic to get the SAT scores you did!

Yeah, it seems like the actual numbers are off, but I think generally it's still right. I never did have a good memory, and I always scored highest on logic and reasoning.

I have one question--Is this really compatible with other IQ scores? Dottie said that she had a perfect score on one section and only recieved a 120? How would you get higher for that section?

I was playing around with the URL and found a big bug. You can see other people's score reports if you know their username.

https://gcstest.com/evaluation/reports/student_ev_results.php?userid=username goes here&printable=1

I tried "eric" and found a boy's score report. :\ Better email them about it.

did you find me dottie? I had 118 cognitive comp, and a 136 in logic.

Note: What do we think of this statement at the end of the report:
The following average gains (in percentile) have been achieved in the clinical program: Average Pre-Intervention (19.0), Post-Intervention (49.5), and Net Gain (30.5) in Composite Cognitive Score with 12 weeks of intense targeted brain training. Reported by Standard Score: Pre (84.6), Post (100.1), Gain (15.5).

Here is one of my subscores:
Logic & Reasoning: The ability to reason, form concepts, and solve problems using unfamiliar information or novel procedures
Raw_____Total_____% rank_____Standard score
16______20________99_________136


I think this test needs a lot of work for norming

Nope, 122 for processing speed. are you looking up by guessed user names or have you found another way to look up results? I used a different user name.

Well, someone seems to be enjoying herself.

Oh, Dottie LOVES her data! You have no idea how happy she is wading through test scores.

It turns out to be a ridiculously useful obsession for the rest of us here! (Dunno if it's useful to Dottie. LOL!) We LOVE that she LOVES her data! It's like having a professional test score analyzer on staff. For free!

Dottie rocks!

Ha! I think they'll let it slide!

I had dd take it last night...all her AE's were 17.7, except visual processing was really low (80) and by the time she took the last "challenge" she was tired of it, so that was lower too. Overall the scores make her look very average. She also thought it was a boring test. I kind of regret having her take it as now she thinks she's slow.....

I haven't had DS6 take it yet but I just took it at work--hard to focus on real work with so much snow falling outside my window.

I got a subscore of 136 in Logic and reasoning and also a processing speed of 122. SPGirl and I seem like we ended up with similar scores. Dottie---if you want to look closer at mine my username is my first initial, last name. PM me if you need help finding.

I am curious to see how DS6 will do.

LOL, I think I'll chug down another cup of coffee and take it myself! I dislike visual reasoning tests, though (ahem) that is kind of crucial to my job....

Hi! I'd say much of it was pretty accurate but some of the numbers don't seem to jive. For example, on Visual Processing, he scored AE 14.2 which is 89th percentile. On Auditory Processing, he scored AE 11, which is 88th percentile. So, I thought that was pretty weird. And, another example: on the Logic test, his raw score was 9, total possible was 20, but that put him in the 98th percentile, with an AE of 15.8. Doesn't seem right.

He thought it was fun and only lost his concentration on the Sound Drop subtest. I think he was answering backwards. Still, though, his lowest was processing speed, 110, no suprise there. He had several at 136, which must be the highest score as it is 99th percentile?

He saw the printout while bringing it to me and of course read it. His mouth literally dropped open when he saw that his AE is 14 and when he saw the "ready for college" graph, where he met or exceeded the average skill set for those entering college.

Interesting test, but I do think it needs some work. The norming is one, the inability to pause the test and rehear the instructions is another. I don't think the 10 page report gives you a lot of information.

I did poorly on the Performance Rating scale when I registered him. I was only even close in one area. Guess that shows me!

I didn't take the test. I should have taken it first but I needed to do some things while he was taking it and saw/overheard too much of it. Anyway, it was interesting and I guess I need to reevaluate the way I look at him.

Poor DS6 apparently have my visual processing issues, except my scores were really bad (21% for visual processing!). Are most logic/reasoning sections on IQ tests so visually intensive? I'm usually really good at logic puzzles and problems, but those symbols were swimming all over the page and I had a really hard time tracking them.

We haven't had DS tested yet (Jan 10th he's doing a group test for a GT charter), but it was really interesting to see that he obviously has visual issues.

Anyways, if anyone's interested here are his scores-
Scores

OK, so I took it, with the advantage of seeing dd take it last night and therefore knowing what to expect, and my full scale score was a mere 10 points higher than hers.

I despised the visual processing puzzles. I think it depends on the particular IQ test, but some of them have more of that kind of thing than others (Raven's vs. WISC comes to mind.)

I do particularly appreciate how it calculated my age to be "48.94 years", lol!

Agreed! Dottie rocks!

It does remind me of one of my favorite jokes where a Father brings his brother to a psychiatrist, saying: "Doctor, for the last 10 years he thinks he's a chicken!"

Psychiatrist: 10 years! Why did you wait so long to bring him to me?

"Frankly, We needed the Eggs!"

So Dottie - if anyone offers to cure you of this 'interest' in test scores, remember, We Need your Eggs!

BTW, I think one of the main downsides of being a Giftie, is not having sufficient numbers of references to tell if we have normal Intensity, or if we are crazy. To ND folks, it's really hard from them to tell if I'm 'normal- Gifted' or weird. I am so grateful to all of you for being my realistic reference points. It's nice not to have to worry anymore.

Love and Smiles,
Grinity

By the way, here's part of an email response I got from the guy in charge of this (I emailed him about the scores being visible online to anyone). So, if you have constructive comments, you might pass them on to him.

"We had a formal survey process initially but no one ever used it so we discontinued it. At some point we are going to create a blog so that people can interact. In the meantime, please feel free to send me comments directly.

Gary Smith

CEO

BrainSkills LLC

719-264-1909

gary@gsmith.name "

DS6 just took it and did VERY well--hit ceilings on Processing, Working Memory, Logic and Word Attack for his age. Not sure how many 6 years old it is normed against though. Overall composite was 129--kicked my butt.

For those of you who know his name and want to see scores you can look it up by his first name, then the letter j.

DS6 really didn't like the auditory tests but actually did rather well. I also watched him on the logic section and was surprised that he was able to choose his answers so quickly and accurately.

Thanks for the link this has been fun.

Oh, I don't think you're insane. Not at all! Not even a little! (Well, at least not any more insane than I am or anyone else here is... ) Data's just your "thing," like Pokemon and Transformers are my DS7's thing and the Norse are my thing.

Truly, I meant obsession in the best, most positive sense. Given my whole family and our tendency to obsess in that same manner, I tend to think people without some sort of strong interest in something are a bit nutty!

You seem perfectly normal to me, and downright kind to share what you know with the rest of us!

Probably just means you're gifted, right?

I just took the test, results under 'Grinity' LOL - looks to me like we are throwing off their curve, yes?

Processing Speed: The ability to perform cognitive tasks, particularly when measured under pressure to maintain focused attention 40 50 61 104
Working Memory: The ability to hold information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on it 15 18 55 102
Auditory Memory: The ability to hold auditory information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on the information 11 13 73 109
Visual Memory: The ability to hold visual information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on the information 9 13 54 100
Long-Term Memory: The ability to store information and fluently retrieve it later in the process of thinking 8 14 76 110
Visual Processing: The ability to perceive, analyze, synthesize visual patterns, including the ability to store and recall visual images 36 56 51 100
Auditory Processing: Phonemic Awareness, the ability to analyze and manipulate speech sounds; crucial underlying skill for reading and spelling 19 26 45 98
Logic & Reasoning: The ability to reason, form concepts, and solve problems using unfamiliar information or novel procedures 13 20 90 119

Word Attack: The knowledge of and application of sound codes in order to pronounce unknown words 19 21 54 100
Composite Cognitive: CC (An average of PS, WM, LTM, VP, AP, and LR (doubled weighted)) 66 105

I will say that I've been toying with the notion that I have unusually high processing speed, and a bottle neck at the working memory.

My long-Term Memory is better, and to tell the truth, I think that my working memory score would have been a lot worse, except that the test was slow enough that I could convert some of the info into long-term Memory. I was furiously making up little stories about Greta and her friends during the test.

What doesn't suprise me is my visual working memory being 10 points lower than my auditory memory - I don't even notice the visual detail in the first place.

Cute little test though...
smiles,
Grinity

Heh, that made me laugh.

Reading your post...I personally don't know if my processing speed is actually "high" or if it's because I've played too many video games as a kid. ]:

LOL - even if your processing speed is high due to 'training' it's still a real result!

I saw that movie '50 First Dates' about Forward Amnesia, and was sobbing at the end, probably because Drew Barrymore is so sweet, but also because with a 'Working Memory Bottleneck' and processing speed fast enough to notice the missing data, it's like seeing the world in the reflected light of flashing neon. I've always felt like I was a 'live in the moment' kind of person.

I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest that as far as Myers-Briggs goes, the 'fast processor/bottleneck Working Memory folks tend to be Percievers, getting no special thrill from completing a project, since they can't hold it in WM anyway, and the Strong Working Memory/average processing speed folks tend to be Judgers, enjoying completing a process and getting closure. What do you think folks?

Smiles,
Grinity

I just took it too. I felt pretty stupid until I realized that you guys must be mucking up the data! For heaven's sake, I missed one on WM and dropped to 78th percentile! Anyhow, for what it's worth, scores to follow. Stored on the site under Lincoln, Abe. (Ehem. Not my real name.)

Processing Speed: The ability to perform cognitive tasks, particularly when measured under pressure to maintain focused attention 38 50 42 97
Working Memory: The ability to hold information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on it 17 18 78 111
Auditory Memory: The ability to hold auditory information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on the information 12 13 88 118
Visual Memory: The ability to hold visual information in immediate awareness while performing a mental operation on the information 13 13 99 136
Long-Term Memory: The ability to store information and fluently retrieve it later in the process of thinking 14 14 99 136
Visual Processing: The ability to perceive, analyze, synthesize visual patterns, including the ability to store and recall visual images 41 56 66 105
Auditory Processing: Phonemic Awareness, the ability to analyze and manipulate speech sounds; crucial underlying skill for reading and spelling 26 26 92+ 121
Logic & Reasoning: The ability to reason, form concepts, and solve problems using unfamiliar information or novel procedures 12 20 79 111

Word Attack: The knowledge of and application of sound codes in order to pronounce unknown words 21 21 91+ 120
Composite Cognitive: CC (An average of PS, WM, LTM, VP, AP, and LR (doubled weighted)) 76 110

Just be sure to come back here and be yourself, useful obsessions and all!

Dottie - what is the security issue?

The security issue was that anyone could look up someone's results just by typing the username in the address line. Now you actually need to log in to see scores for a username. Also the score sheets (which was easily accessed by anyone) listed a person's full name.

Ah i see! Thanks crisc! If you register today, can you take the test tomorrow for example, and still not be charged?

From everything I read you would need to test the test by end of today. I guess it doesn't hurt to register and then try and take the test tomorrow.

Ah well. It was an interesting test anyway.

It was a little wonky - my DS5 (almost 6) also had like an age equiv of 14 on several sections.

Yeah, interesting test. And great just as a fun thing to do with Miss 7. But no, I really don't believe she has an auditory memory age equivalent of 13 or a long term memory of a 17 year old !!! But it was quite cool, and I ended up shoving some maths on the end of it and we 'worked' for about 75 minutes - the longest Miss 7 has sat - engaged - for months!!!

jojo

Now it's starting to make sense. No wonder those of us whose kids took it and were in the "higher end" were confused by the results.

Thanks Lina for getting the scoop on the test.

I wonder what additional info will be available later this year for this test?

Hopefully our kids didn't intefere with the norming too much.

Oops! I bet our tests will impact the results somehow

Oh well.

I'd be kind of surprised if they could really norm a test based on internet responses... I mean it only takes a couple of bored insomniacs to seriously mess with the numbers in any variety of ways... LOL Generally I think test norming is meant to be a fairly controlled process...

But then I'm generally a cynic about stuff like this too

Not for nothing, but, the percentile results people have been reporting have been getting get me to thinking about how they normed the test in the first place..............

Off the subject but if anyone lives in the Chicago area our school is having Linda Silverman, Ph.D come to speak on Giftedness in general and the 2E challenges specifically.
Lake Forest district 67.

I was asked to help get the word out and have interested people come.

She tested our 2E daughter and has been a real resource for all of us.
date- january 21st and 6:30 pm.

I can give details if anyone wants to PM me or find more information on the school web site www.lfelem.lfc.edu/district/programs/gifted_services.html

JoAnn,
That looks really great and I wish I lived closer to Chicago. Hmmm...road trip??
I hope you don't mind me copying it to it's own new thread so it doesn't get missed.

I got DS to do this... Is it remotely accurate? I was sitting looking at the results like this: . I lied a bit and said he was 5.5 and not 4.5 (because 1 kid the wrong age isn't gonna matter right? also �� for testing is hard to come by in my house )
He got bored with both the visual sections (was just clicking aimlessly), still his numbers look like this:
Processing Speed: 17 50 6.9 63 104
Working Memory: 8 18 8.4 99 136
Auditory Memory: 7 13 9 98 131
Visual Memory: 5 13 6 50 100
Long-Term Memory: 7 14 13 99 136
Visual Processing: 17 56 6.2 52 100
Auditory Processing: 13 26 8.6 84 115
Logic & Reasoning: 6 20 9.8 91 120

Word Attack: 10 21 7.5 91 120
Composite Cognitive: CC 8 82 114

Heh, maybe he is smart after all!!

If you read the info on the Gibson site, it states that this is not an IQ test. The scores are not IQ scores.