We're not yet applying for DYS. I think our DS might qualify when you consider the loose "working 2, 3, or 4 years above chronological age" but we do not yet have supporting tests. We are planning a future test and depending on what we learn, we may apply for DYS. We could use that advocacy help.

So that being said, I am curious about how the section on references has been dealt with by others that have applied. Our problem has been that there have been very, very few people that have supported what we suspect or know (that DS is pretty far outside the norms). His psych noted it, but the references specifically asks for people that have not tested the child. The only other person that I can reference is a preschool teacher a year and half ago that was blow away by something DS did. Other than that, we have a lot of skeptics. What did you do? How did you handle this part of the application?

Just curious. Thanks.

JB

Know any parents of GT kids? Adults who your DS talks science or math to? Camp counselors? Babysitters?

The pre-K teacher would be just fine. DS8's K teacher wrote his, and though she IDd him as GT, I'm not sure she got just HOW GT he was. But I don't think that matters so much.

They just want to know that you're not a nut, I suspect. If someone else can say, "Yes, the child is smart," that's all that's really needed to show that you didn't have your kid memorize the IQ test or something crazy like that. Don't stress over it.

We used her K teacher from last year and a family friend. This friend has seen our DD in action and heard about things she does. It helps that their DC is very gifted also (I am certain a future DYS kiddo).

You mention "very few people", I would think one of those. Is he in K already? Taken any classes where he shines?

JB,
You need to get out more!
((Humor Alert))

My advice is to apply now, with a portfolio, and then when the scores roll in, you will be 'almost all done' - yes?
Download an application, and get the preschool teacher's rec NOW, before she moves to another state, or forgets.

We ended up with one from DS13's Afterschool French teacher and from a GT teacher from a different part of the state. We met at one of our state gifted program's Saturday 'Learning Jam' kind of things. I had gotten permission for DS to attend with a group who was 1 to 2 years older, because the offerings in his agegroup didn't look that interesting. At the end I stopped in to check on his behavior, and the teachers were floored that he was so much younger - they work with 'gifted' students all day long, and were able to confirm for me that yes, PG is different even if he isn't doing calculus in his highchair. I quickly got the agreement to write the rec, and a phone number, did the follow up and the rest is history.
Other ideas:
That nosy lady in the grocery store,
Any doctors, nurses, dentists
Parents of older gifted kids
Your Accountant - any adult you have dragged your child along with you to any adult-type activity
Docent at a museum. Chaperone during a school trip - watch your kid dominate the conversation which the other children drift off - and get the phone number and agreement.
Anyone with eyes to see - basically,
Smiles,
Grinity

JB, I sympathize. We had good luck with recommendations for my boys, as they were more open about showing their gifts. But my girls are less vocal in public, less likely to do things that make people go "Wow!" My older dd did get a nice rec from a friend who had her in a homeschool science class- dd was the youngest by far and came up with the best solution to one of the group challenges. But for my youngest, who is not yet five, I am not sure where to turn. I actually took out the app forms the other day and reviewed them, and decided that I need to get her interacting more with other adults, in order to give them a chance to know her better.

On the iPhone so this will be brief... I'll follow up more later. What about his grandmother? She's a third grade teacher. I can't recall if the references had to be non-family. She's observed him and often would comment that she wished her students did 'X' as well as DS.

DS tends to blend in with others in group settings. And if he's not interest in something you wouldn't really notice him. Which is a lot of the time during the school year.

Humor noted

JB

All previous posts are filled with wonderful suggestions. Just wanted to add that a rec from a camp counselor or instructor from a summer/afterschool enrichment program could be useful too. Good luck. ITA with Grinity - get the basic app out of the way along with the recs and submit the scores when you get them.

My thoughts are get the application in with out the test scores. You may need more support then you think in the future. It is better to get a recommendation while the information is fresh in her minds. You can give the teacher as reference and then add family members comments as support in the portfolio. If there is something you can video that would also be good. Good Luck!

Actually... you guys have got me thinking now. On my way into work I realized that I could probably get a recommendation from DS's chess mentor. He started playing serious chess a couple of months ago so I started taking him to a local chess club. The organizer has taken him under his wing and gives him free private lessons before the club meets. (Usually he's a paid coach.) So I think that leaves us with three options if using his grandmother is okay. I forget how many you need.

Luckily I did capture on video once something that I think would be appropriate to submit...

Thanks for the brainstorming...

JB

You only need one, that's all we had since DS7 is homeschooled and we just don't have many people who are in a position to see him in action. I think the chess mentor would be perfect! The application said it couldn't be family, though I'm not sure how far out on the tree they mean, so a grandparent might be ok. We used a family friend who has kids who are GT, I was really grateful she was willing to write it for us because we had no one else we could ask if she wasn't able!

You need one, can submit 2, family is not OK, but I don't think they define family.

The chess mentor and the preschool teacher sound great!

He shoots, He scores, The crowd goes wild!

I'm going to say it again: Regular parents have an amazing resource - local parents who they can talk about their kids with! I am so grateful to this forum so we can have a chance to put our thoughts into words and let our own minds help us out. Not being able to talk about what really matters to us with our local friends really slows down our ability to come up with original ways to problem solve.

Smiles,
Grinity

Yup, chess mentor is perfect! Just right!

I don't think I'd use grandma at all, unless you just want to have her note added to your observations. I think she's basically going to be thought of as adding more of your perspective, not as an independent observer.

Only because grandma is an active third grade teacher and when DS was in first she'd comment on how he understood things better than some of her students (particularly in math).

That being said, yes the chess mentor may be good. I'll have to talk to him about it as I haven't really asked him how DS compares to other children he's worked with. We went to NYC a week ago and DS played chess against a couple of adults in central park and they remarked on his ability, so I would think the chess mentor would have similar things to say.

I'll probably submit two--the chess mentor and the nursery school teacher. She called us at the end of the 4yo class to tell use about DS trying to tell her about Fibonacci numbers (she didn't know what they were). So I think that would be a great story to include. Since child #2 is now in her class, this will be easy to arrange.

While I have some great things for a portfolio, I think we're going to wait until we have scores before submitting. It seems like the portfolio option is really for people who don't have the means to get tested. Our son has been tested (SBV) but he wouldn't have qualified. He had some achievement scores that may have qualified him for the bare minimum (*maybe*). But based on what the pysch told us (that the SBV is not a good measure for our particular child), so we've been waiting for him to be old enough to take something like the WISC. We should also be able to get more complete achievement data too.

That's our current thought right now.

JB