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Posted By: psychland Executive functioning - 03/12/14 02:55 AM
So, my DD had follow up testing by her school after they received the private eval that we had completed, they did several tests of executive functioning. The school psychologist said that these areas were as important if not more important than IQ in terms of predicting success in school (and probably in life as well). DD scored in the very superior range on all of the tests so it was not an issue but out of curiosity how many others have had tests of executive functioning administered to their children?
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/12/14 12:54 PM
Thanks Portia. That makes since. DD is very much a self-starter and motivated to do well at school. She is in first grade and completely responsible for her homework/schoolwork/studying. I always thought it was just a function of her personality not an "ability."
Posted By: indigo Re: Executive functioning - 03/12/14 01:55 PM
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... thought it was just a function of her personality not an "ability."
There are exciting discoveries in neuroscience showing cognitive functions and abilities (which some may say comprise our "personality") related to different areas of brain development. For example, here is a link to a brief overview from WebMD which highlights a few thoughts about executive function: http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/executive-function
Posted By: luvedu Re: Executive functioning - 03/12/14 03:04 PM
indigo, It was a great read. Thank you for sharing !

I find time away from Electronic devices- self- redirects my kids to the task on hands.
Posted By: indigo Re: Executive functioning - 03/12/14 03:09 PM
Tangently related... This article, found in an old discussion link on the forum, also describes a connection between brain development and behavior (what some might call "personality").

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/m...ld-a-psychopath.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?
By Jennifer Kahn on May 11, 2012
The New York Times

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Researchers hope, for example, that the capacity for empathy, which is controlled by specific parts of the brain, might still exist weakly in callous-unemotional children, and could be strengthened.

Researchers have linked coldblooded behaviors to low levels of cortisol and below-normal function in the amygdala, the portion of the brain that processes fear and other aversive social emotions, like shame. The desire to avoid those unpleasant feelings, Waschbusch notes, is part of what motivates young children to behave. “Normally, when a 2-year-old pushes his baby sister, and his sister cries, and his parents scold him, those reactions make the kid feel uncomfortable,” Waschbusch continued. “And that discomfort keeps him from doing it again. The difference with the callous-unemotional kids is that they don’t feel uncomfortable. So they don’t develop the same aversion to punishment or to the experience of hurting someone.”

Waschbusch cited one study that compared the criminal records of 23-year-olds with their sensitivity to unpleasant stimuli at age 3. In that study, the 3-year-olds were played a simple tone, then exposed to a brief blast of unpleasant white noise. Though all the children developed the ability to anticipate the burst of noise, most of the toddlers who went on to become criminals as adults didn’t show the same signs of aversion — tensing or sweating — when the advance tone was played.

Fortunately the article contained hope in the sentence "Physiology isn’t destiny.”
Posted By: 1frugalmom Re: Executive functioning - 03/13/14 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by psychland
So, my DD had follow up testing by her school after they received the private eval that we had completed, they did several tests of executive functioning. The school psychologist said that these areas were as important if not more important than IQ in terms of predicting success in school (and probably in life as well). DD scored in the very superior range on all of the tests so it was not an issue but out of curiosity how many others have had tests of executive functioning administered to their children?


psychland, I'm curious - how did they test your DD's executive functioning? Were these actual tests, or based on observation?
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/13/14 05:51 PM
It is sort of interesting how it came about. We live in an area that has several of the best universities in the country and as a result there seems to be a much higher than normal population of HG and PG children. DD is wickedly creative, very very much an out of the box thinker and it is very obvious right away. We had the initial eval done only because her teacher suggested that she skip a grade and I wanted to make sure that she was not just a high achiever but was actually bright enough that the skip would not cause undue stress. Fast forward and her GAI was in the high 140's and FSIQ in the 130's while that is in the higher range she does not have the highest cognitive ability in her school or to be honest even in her class. You would not think based on her scores she would really stand out in her class but she does. So, the person that acts as the school psychologist at her school (small private school) is actually a Ph.D. level Neuropsychologist, She administered the Delis-Kaplan Executive Function System. DD was in the 99.9th percentile in all areas. They said this was very unusual and actually occurs less than really high IQ's thus explaining the reason she stands out in the group and the creativity. The psych did mention that these tests are rarely used by anyone but neuropsychologist, so maybe that is why they are not common? Not sure but in DD's case in was relevant info. She did say people with ADHD and Asperger's tend to have very poor executive functioning skills.
Posted By: apm221 Re: Executive functioning - 03/13/14 08:29 PM
If the score is 99.9 percentile, then it's already telling you frequency in the population and shouldn't be less common than PG... unless she is basing that on the fact that many people think there are more kids at 99.9 percentile on IQ tests than predicted by the normal curve?

I'm intrigued by the test of executive functioning. I'm going to try to learn more about that.
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/13/14 09:15 PM
She actually said there are quite a few studies that show that IQ's at the upper end do occur more often than you would expect. That the frequency of occurring at the 99.9th percentile on an IQ test actually happens at a rate of about 1/650 as opposed to 1/1000 which the percentile rank would suggest. It just indicates that someone is at the 99.9th percentile based on the curve of the norming sample, if that makes sense. She said really high executive functioning just occurs more rarely and the areas measured are so different that it is unusual to have someone do well on all of them of them. My husband has a chemical engineering degree from MIT (that he got before optometry school) so I am guessing these skills came from him (they did not come from me;))! We also live in a suburb of Boston where there are a LOT of really bright children, they may skew the norm as well.
Posted By: apm221 Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 12:03 AM
I've heard and read that, but have never found actual studies documenting it. I'd be fascinated if she gave any more information about that.

Congratulations on your child scoring so well! I think it makes sense that that is extremely valuable in being able to accomplish what one sets out to accomplish. I'm going to look into that for my son, but I know he won't get comparable scores... learning about strengths and weaknesses can be very helpful, though, and I think it would be useful.
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 01:51 AM
Squishys the psych said she would e-mail me links to some studies that she had found. I will post them when I get them. If you don't mind me asking did you son have high wm scores? DD had a split on wm with one subtest being average and then maxing out
the other. The evaluator said the EF stuff means their brain is very efficient so it allows you to maximize what you have, so to speak.
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 02:13 AM
Interesting DD has the same split, here was an interesting video that talks about it, will post the others when I get them:).

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/...brief_series/inbrief_executive_function/
Posted By: indigo Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 02:14 AM
@psychland, thank you for starting this thread; It is a topic I was hoping to explore more deeply.

I did a quick websearch and found the website of the University of Oregon CBIRT School-Based Assessment of Executive Functions.

@squishys, yes I can see why psychland's school psychologist said that these areas were as important if not more important than IQ in terms of predicting success in school (and probably in life as well).
Posted By: Zen Scanner Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 02:14 AM
Seems to fit in here... this has been linked before, but the authors of the Dyslexic Advantage have a blog titled Eide Neurolearnng blog. It hasn't been kept up to date, but I found it a great place to skim a ton of research on neuroscience particularly relevant for gifted and 2e issues. http://eideneurolearningblog.blogspot.com/
Posted By: psychland Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 02:45 AM
Also, Psych said the test she used was the most comprehensive measure but the norms don't start until 8 (not sure how old other children are) but she would just use the 8 year old norms with qualitative caution (DD is 7):).
Posted By: MumOfThree Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 03:49 AM
Squishys there are plenty more sb5 users here, just not in our city. Every Wisc using tester I've encountered has also done at least parts of the wiat in their testing. And usually the SA spelling test and some sort of Australian reading test.
Posted By: MumOfThree Re: Executive functioning - 03/14/14 06:44 AM
Gifted Minds didn't do any achievement testing, but every other psych we've visited (and we've seen a few between multiple kids and different issues) have all done at least basic math, spelling and reading ages along with the IQ. The SA spelling test gets used in NSW too (by at least some people), it seems to be the popular...
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