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    Originally Posted by Nik
    AAAAHHHHHHHRRRGGGHHHHH

    Wow Nik, that is just horrendous!!! I am just flabbergasted that a teacher would get that personal with a student (except I am not), but it just seems so over the top. And then to actually have some higher authority say just accept it and do summer school - why should your dd have an F, that is ludicrous. I wonder if the teacher was actually afraid your dd knew more than she did. This story is really worthy of that red faced guy - which is a really startling icon!!!

    I hope things are better and this hasn't stuck too much with your dd - I hope the only lesson learned is that you back away slowly and calmly from rabid animals (particularly when spitting!)

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    Yikes! I would be homeschooling too after that kind of experience.

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    Originally Posted by Nik
    This teacher also claimed that because my DD had not turned in any homework, she really didn't know if my DD understood the material and had concerns that my DD might not. I suggested that my DD stay after school to work one-on-one with the teacher until the teacher was satisfied smile. The teacher then said this was not necessary, she knew that my DD clearly got the material but that wasn't enough, she needed to get with the program. AAAAHHHHHHHRRRGGGHHHHH
    Don't you sometimes wish that folks would just say:" I don't like your child and you can't make me treat her fairly" Instead of going through all this headspinning verbiage?

    The teacher made it clear that she felt the other children were being harmed in some way by seeing that your DD didn't have to work to handle the material much better than they do. Perhaps she is right, and this is just one more reason that kids who need to work at a 'higher than age predicted' level need to be placed in classrooms where kids who are at the same 'ready to learn' level are already sitting. My guess is that you would have had to actually change buildings to find these kids - and that that is exactly what you did.

    Do I think that 10th grade students are still too young to maturely understand that 'everyone has different strengths and weaknesses and it's ok to have different strengths and weaknesses than the person sitting next to you as long as you keep working to develop yourself?'

    I wouldn't be suprised if 10th grade students are too young for this - but I hope not by very much.

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    Originally Posted by DeHe
    I hope things are better and this hasn't stuck too much with your dd - I hope the only lesson learned is that you back away slowly and calmly from rabid animals (particularly when spitting!)
    DeHe

    LOL, I was surprised at my own restraint for letting that woman live.

    Actually, this whole experience really turned my DD's life around for the better because it finally opened my eyes to just how bad things were for her at school. For way too long I just assumed she was just a bit bored and lazy but getting by without complaint.

    Originally Posted by Grinity
    The teacher made it clear that she felt the other children were being harmed in some way by seeing that your DD didn't have to work to handle the material much better than they do. Perhaps she is right, and this is just one more reason that kids who need to work at a 'higher than age predicted' level need to be placed in classrooms where kids who are at the same 'ready to learn' level are already sitting. My guess is that you would have had to actually change buildings to find these kids - and that that is exactly what you did.


    YEP!

    All's well that ends well though: DD is heading to her dream college this fall with a renewed self confidence and enthusiasm for learning.

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    Originally Posted by Nik
    This teacher also claimed that because my DD had not turned in any homework, she really didn't know if my DD understood the material and had concerns that my DD might not.


    Ack! I just had a flashback to 10th grade math!

    The teacher didn't seem to me to put that much emphasis on the homework because it wasn't checked daily or graded, you were just supposed to put it in a folder and then you got credit for turning it in. So I didn't see much reason to do it. Toward the end of the semester she called me aside and told me that she noticed I hadn't turned in any of the assignments and that I needed to complete them or it would count against my grade. You'd think logic would work on the math teacher, but for some reason the fact that I had 99% on the tests without doing one of the hundreds of problems she'd assigned didn't show that I had mastery of the material, instead it just really irritated her. I remember at some point asking if I could move into a higher math class (which is weird in retrospect because I don't like math) and she told me that she couldn't do that for someone who didn't do the homework.

    These must be techniques that they learn in "How to teach 10th Grade"

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    they seriously said to me that all kids belong "in the box" and that gifted kids need to learn to fit in the box in order to function in society. and since school is a "system" gifted kids needed to learn to function in the system.

    Or maybe "the system" is made for people who need a system in order to function in society.


    Yes. Since dd is at a girls school, I have started calling this the "Which American Girl Doll Are You?" syndrome.



    ROFL...


    Painfully true.


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    Originally Posted by Grinity
    Originally Posted by Nik
    This teacher also claimed that because my DD had not turned in any homework, she really didn't know if my DD understood the material and had concerns that my DD might not. I suggested that my DD stay after school to work one-on-one with the teacher until the teacher was satisfied smile. The teacher then said this was not necessary, she knew that my DD clearly got the material but that wasn't enough, she needed to get with the program. AAAAHHHHHHHRRRGGGHHHHH
    Don't you sometimes wish that folks would just say:" I don't like your child and you can't make me treat her fairly" Instead of going through all this headspinning verbiage?

    The teacher made it clear that she felt the other children were being harmed in some way by seeing that your DD didn't have to work to handle the material much better than they do. Perhaps she is right, and this is just one more reason that kids who need to work at a 'higher than age predicted' level need to be placed in classrooms where kids who are at the same 'ready to learn' level are already sitting. My guess is that you would have had to actually change buildings to find these kids - and that that is exactly what you did.

    Do I think that 10th grade students are still too young to maturely understand that 'everyone has different strengths and weaknesses and it's ok to have different strengths and weaknesses than the person sitting next to you as long as you keep working to develop yourself?'

    I wouldn't be suprised if 10th grade students are too young for this - but I hope not by very much.

    Love and More Love,
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    If my mom were alive, perhaps I could ask her. I had a math teacher say that very thing to my mother and me (yes, I was actually PRESENT, so I know what was said) at a tenth grade conference. "Well, I just don't like Howler much. <shrug> What can you do, right?" eek No, I'm not kidding. (My mother was a career public school teaher in another district. She was speechless, since she had, until that moment, really thought that I was "the problem" in that class. She asked 'what the problem was' in the class that I seemed to be flirting with a D grade even though I knew the material well); well, he told her.

    Points for honesty, I suppose. At least my mom apologized to me-- which was a first, and one of the only times.



    Kind of sucked that he was the only instructor that taught math beyond trig at my high school, but my mother did at least find a way to get me OUT of having to take another class from him-- ever. He was a total tool.

    So I'm not sure that's any better than the passive-aggressive nastiness, fwiw. LOL.


    ETA: Huh... 10th grade Curiouser and curiouser. whistle
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    I agree entirely that this alone is a good reason for ability grouping, too. I can definitely appreciate that it is pretty demoralizing to have to work really really hard and sit next to someone who is obviously bored and still acing the class.


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    Originally Posted by momma2many
    they seriously said to me that all kids belong "in the box" and that gifted kids need to learn to fit in the box in order to function in society.

    What do you call a nerd when they are forty?

    Boss!!


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    btw.....i think if you manage to get a gifted kid "in the box", they will just come up with 18 new ways to get out of a box.

    LOL..could not resist.

    http://www.clipartguide.com/_pages/0060-0807-1604-4019.html


    Seriously, you should ask this woman when her family stopped burning witches...




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    Originally Posted by Nik
    YEP!

    All's well that ends well though: DD is heading to her dream college this fall with a renewed self confidence and enthusiasm for learning.

    And hopefully DD has learned that she can go to adults for help when things are 'too much' and be heard and helped. Not a bad way to prepare for college life. I'm so glad to hear that things turned out well. I've learned to be very grateful for some very difficult experiences.

    Yippee!
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