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    I've a feeling this will be long, but I want to paint the whole picture.

    My son talked early, is extremely curious, loves engineering toys, computer room escape games and other such puzzles, prefers to play with older children, is very compassionate, has an absolutely outstanding sense of humor, etc. He was counting objects before age two, but did not even learn letter sounds and some cvc and sight words until age 4.

    He did pretty well in kindergarten. He was always in enrichment math, did well in reading (though not exceptional), and his teacher said "his problem solving skills were amazing." He had some issues with behavior, but only had to go to the office a couple of times.

    We moved to a different school district and he is in first grade this year. The first three weeks went well, then things took a turn for the worse. His main behavior issue was refusing to do work. He also exhibited attention seeking behaviors and talked too much. Oh, and ran out of the room on three different occasions. crazy

    He complained that the work was too easy. He said "she keeps teaching us things I already know." I explained that if the work was that easy, just to do it quickly and get it over with. I said, "Is getting in trouble really better than just doing the work?" He answered, "when it's that easy, yes."

    His behavior got worse and one day he was sent to SAFE. While there, the SAFE teacher gave him some first grade math worksheets. He said they were too easy and asked for harder work. The teacher said he decided to "call his bluff" and gave him third grade worksheets. He had no problem with them.

    When this was relayed to his regular teacher her only comment was "How can he do third grade math? He can't even read!" This annoyed me for two reasons. First, she's given that information and that's the only thing she says or does about it? Second, yes, he could read. He couldn't read at a third grade level, but he could read on level and managed to read the directions with some help from the SAFE teacher.

    The teacher then suggested we get him tested for ADHD. Not her exact words, of course, but we knew what she meant.

    We took him for an evaluation and the doctor diagnosed him with ADHD. He said he also noticed several sensory issues and we're now awaiting a sensory eval.

    Anyway, I'm a paraeducator and I brought home some GRL books to test his reading. He's currently reading at level I. Not outstanding, but not bad. The teacher has him in the reading group which is reading level C books. Whenever someone suggests that he's bored or very intelligent, she just kind of poo-poo's it.

    He started a new medication two weeks ago that is working incredibly well. He's still his energetic, funny self, but he's able to focus and it really helps with his impulsivity.

    Which brings us to the other day and a meeting we attended at his school. Several people were there (psychologist, curriculum specialist, teacher, counselor, principal, special ed facilitator and us). They admit things are are better.

    The counselor did mention that he was very creative and she said she hated that he had to miss so much instruction when he was misbehaving. I told her that it was a big concern of mine because I felt like he had a lot of potential and his needs weren't being met. I then said "I don't think he's shown you all just how intelligent he is."

    That's when his teacher said, "Well...I wanted to let you know about this. I got his (NWEA) MAP test results back the other day and he did very well. I was shocked. ( mad) The enrichment teacher brought me the results and was asking me about him." The curriculum specialist said, "Wow. She never seeks students out," and his teacher said, "no, she doesn't."

    We left without finding out his scores, but requested them the next day. I remember when he took the test (at least one of them, not sure if it was reading or math) and I asked him if it was hard and he said some of it was, but he hurried through it so he could go out to recess. smirk
    Because of that (and because he wasn't on medication at the time and lacked focus) I didn't expect too much.

    Well, we got the results. They aren't exceptional, but I think they're very good. He received a 191 (97th %ile) in math and a 186 (96th %ile) in reading.

    My question is (whew!) where do we go from here? His behavior is getting in check with his new medication and I don't want boredom to make him escalate again. He always makes 100% on his papers, unless he's made a careless mistake or two. They're really just silly, easy papers, though.

    The other day I took less than two minutes to explain multiplication to him and he understood it completely and figured out all the (single digit) problems I threw at him. Then, I asked him what 9 divided by 3 was. He said, "I don't know," and I said, well think about it, "what is 9 divided into three groups?" He immediately said, three. So he learns very quickly and retains very well, too.

    I'm not sure what to do next. Do we contact the enrichment teacher? Only deal with his teacher? Maybe now that she saw his MAP scores, she'll believe that he's smart and bored? What if she doesn't? They only do whole group math in first grade, but in second grade they split them up by ability. Reading, though, is done in small groups and, like I said, she has him in reading level C when he's been reading levels H and I for me without problem.

    I just want the best for my son. Maybe he's not gifted, but I've always known he was extremely bright. His vocabulary, reasoning, insight, and humor are just amazing at times. For instance during that whole "balloon boy" fiasco, he came into the room when I was reading about it online and he asked me what was going on. I told him and he said, "Wait a minute, is the balloon filled with helium?" I said, "yes," and he asked me how big the balloon was. I told him and he said, "a person can't survive taking in that much helium." That had never even crossed my mind (and I'm not sure how he knew!).

    Sorry this was so long. It was a bit of venting experience for me, too, so cathartic, if nothing else. I really would appreciate any advice and insight any of you may have.

    Thank you!

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    Hi AnnaAugusta,

    I'm new here too.

    I have to say that your story sounds like a classic gifted child story to me! I have heard that story many times. The descriptions you are giving of his behaviour is also classic bored/unchallenged behaviour.

    I'm not from the US so I dn't really know all the acronyms. Is the MAP a normed/standardised test? If so, that would tell you a lot about his levels capared to other children.

    I think what you do next depends on what is best for your son, and that will depend on individual cercumstances. But the first thing I would do is what your already doing - find out what you can about giftedness. There are people here who have been researching this a lot longer than I have but a couple of things that really hit home for me were the simple lists (for example this one: http://giftedkids.about.com/od/gifted101/a/giftedtraits.htm ) I can see your post ticking a lot of those boxes, can't you?

    And yes, I can tell you getting in trouble can be a lot less painful than doing work that is too easy - at least it's more interesting!

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    Anna, My first grader is similar! He has been officially suspended twice for behavior and the principal asked him how he felt and he said, "Happy!" Yes, of course happy...he's out of the boring class and in a nice quiet room reading books of his choice. He is already in the gifted first grade but they don't do extra differentiation...he was told by the teacher to bring books from home to keep him occupied during the time he finishes early. Anyway, he is also autistic (diagnosed before age 3) so that is ALL the school sees. It is like they feel they are doing enough to accommodate for his autism, that they don't have to accommodate for his academic needs (except by putting him in the gifted 1st grade class) and all we ever hear from them are comments about his behavior. It is very frustrating to deal with school personnel because they really seem to be blind to gifted-ness when there are other factors (behavior) involved. I do not know who you should contact next because we reached a dead end with our school and are going to a gifted school next year. Just letting you know you are not alone and good luck!! Nan smile

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    Hi Anna,

    In my limited experience, this is a classic gifted kid situation. You might speak with the school about doing an IQ and achievement test on him. If they won't do it - you may need to pay for it yourself, so that you have some concrete evidence. Does your son have a 504 or IEP? If you go to the Twice Exceptional part of this site, you may get some good advice on how to wrap some of his needs as a gifted child (assuming he tests out that way - but regardless he sounds like a very bright little boy to me) into the IEP/504 (I def. don't know much about that - but it would be something to explore).

    Keep reading, and be prepared to become an advocate. But also remember, this is a long term process. I think it is great you have recognized his challenges this early in his education.

    Welcome, Cat

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    Welcome! Your DS sounds delightful. I'm sorry you're having so many troubles with the teacher. It seems to me that she is doing an awful lot of nothing to help out your DS. I guess I would suggest contacting the enrichment teacher and asking for advice. Express all the concerns you list here. At our school, the gifted coordinator was able to act as a liaison between us and the principal, who was then able to hand-pick a teacher who would be a good fit. The enrichment teacher hopefully will be able to help with your current teacher too, but suggesting substitutions for the too-easy schoolwork. Good luck!

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    Originally Posted by AnnaAugusta
    My question is (whew!) where do we go from here? His behavior is getting in check with his new medication and I don't want boredom to make him escalate again.

    I'm not sure what to do next. Do we contact the enrichment teacher? Only deal with his teacher? Maybe now that she saw his MAP scores, she'll believe that he's smart and bored? What if she doesn't? They only do whole group math in first grade, but in second grade they split them up by ability. Reading, though, is done in small groups and, like I said, she has him in reading level C when he's been reading levels H and I for me without problem.

    Thank you!


    I would suggest a few things - I would request a meeting with the classroom teacher, and the enrichment teacher (this may take requesting a premeeting with the classroom teacher first) to 'see the MAP scores, be explained what they mean, and insure that DS isn't placed in a situation where he gets in the habit of acting up in school due to 'poor educational fit.'

    Ask the two of them what would DS needs to learn next, and how to get him in a classroom situation where that is being taught.

    If the school will do an IQ test, this maybe the time to request it. MAP tests come with information about what each individual child knows, and would be expected to learn next. Also bring up what he told you about wanting to get outside to recess, and that the test was taken without medication, and that you would expect him the test to underestimate what he can do.

    You don't need your child to be identified as 'Gifted' you just need him to be in classroom situation (subject acceleration or full grade acceleration) where he will be able to learn new material, and get used to the idea that learning take a certian amount of effort and focus.

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    Thank you for all your advice and thoughts. I'm letting it all sink in and will show my husband this post, so he can think about it all, too.

    I'm even more driven because of our sixteen year old. He had all the classic signs of a gifted child starting in infancy. The day I gave birth to him he was lifting his head up and looking around. It was almost creepy.

    I think he may have some sort of LD that masked his giftedness. He's a complete underacheiver now. He makes A's on all his tests, but never does the homework to go with it and I don't think he's ever studied without us. It's very sad. I'm hoping he'll do better in college, but I'm afraid because he's lacking study skills.

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    It's good that the MAP test results opened the teachers eyes to his ability. Now you can go to her about differentiating his work in order to meet growth goals. Here are some resources tied to RIT scores:

    http://www.powayusd.com/projects/edtechcentral/MAPS/
    http://www.sowashco.k12.mn.us/ro/Pages/studentlinks/map/
    http://www.sowashco.k12.mn.us/ro/Pages/studentlinks/map/reading.htm

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    Originally Posted by inky
    It's good that the MAP test results opened the teachers eyes to his ability. Now you can go to her about differentiating his work in order to meet growth goals. Here are some resources tied to RIT scores:

    http://www.powayusd.com/projects/edtechcentral/MAPS/
    http://www.sowashco.k12.mn.us/ro/Pages/studentlinks/map/
    http://www.sowashco.k12.mn.us/ro/Pages/studentlinks/map/reading.htm

    Thank you for those links. Honestly, looking at the math, I'm not sure how he got as high as he did. I don't see how he knew all that stuff.

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    Originally Posted by AnnaAugusta
    Honestly, looking at the math, I'm not sure how he got as high as he did. I don't see how he knew all that stuff.
    I feel the same way when I look at my daughters' scores. It helped when I looked at a report broken broken down into sub-sections (goals). It's reported as 3 different 10 point ranges (below, at, and above the RIT score):

    1. Skills and Concepts to Enhance (73% probability students would correctly answer items measuring these concepts and skills)
    2. Skills and Concepts to Develop (50% probability)
    3. Skills and Concepts to Introduce (27% probability)

    So basically it doesn't mean your son has mastered those concepts at his RIT level but those are things he's ready to work on developing. Does that help?

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