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Hi, I apologize if I am on the wrong board because I am not really gifted, LD more than anything. However, I would like your take on my scores. I am a 24 year old female who graduated from college with a bachelor's degree, although barely. I have cerebral palsy from premature birth and this is where my LD comes from. Although I always had difficulties in school in certain areas (English and History and was relatively better in math and science), I was able to compensate and always got good grades. Therefore, I was not tested for LD until sophomore year of college. I was tested almost 4 years ago in 2005. Here are the scores. I already understand them very well, but was wondering what you think.

WAIS III

Similarities--19

Vocabulary--18

Information--15

Arithmetic--13

Digit Span--11

Letter-Number Sequencing--11

Matrix Reasoning--10 (feel I could've done better on this one if my tester did not push me to give an answer quickly. It's supposed to be untimed, but I don't feel like it was trully untimed)

Block Design--5

Picture Completion--2

Digit-Symbol Coding--5

Symbol Search--7

Verbal IQ--135

Performance IQ--73

VCI--145
WMI--109
POI--71
PSI--79

I also did horribly on California Verbal Learning Test, Wechsler Memory Scale (Prose Passages), Rey-Osterrieth Complex Figure test (would remember the gestalt but none of the details), Fluency measures of WJ-Achievement (although math fluency was average) and Nelson-Denny Reading test (timed conditions-below 1st %ile).


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Hi Asiral,
Welcome!
What specifically can we help with?
Do you 'feel' gifted?
Were you able to get accomidations after taking these tests?
How is this affecting your daily life now?
Have you heard the phrase 'Twice Exceptional?

Love and More Love,
Grinity

I would just like your guys' take on the scores.

I graduated from college almost 2 years ago and can't find a job. I feel that my deficits are so severe that it is hard for me to find a job which I can do well. I bomb interviews but the real reason for it is that I am not the best person for the job. I am really at a crossroads in my life and can't find my place.

Hi, welcome to the board. I really don't know much about cerebral palsy, but wanted to at least welcome you.
Nor am I an expert with score interpretation - far from it, but "Verbal IQ--135" sounds like it is in the range considered gifted.

I wanted to throw out these links, in case you have not already found them - seems to be some good info and resources for helping prepare for interviewing, finding employers who understand reasonable accomodation, etc.

http://eric.hoagiesgifted.org/faq/cerebpal.html
Several articles, one at least lists implications of cp for employment as a subject.

http://www.ucp.org/ucp_channel.cfm/1/17
This one might be really obvious, but posting it just in case.

You seem to write very clearly, good expression, I am certain that this at least indicates that there are some jobs out there that could work for you (and vice versa). What do you want to do?

I understand that you guys might be put off by my very low performance IQ scores, but I just want your opinion of my scores. Also, since my options are so limited by my weaknesses, what field do you think I may be good in based on my cognitive profile?

Hi asiral - I don't think anyone is trying to avoid you! I just think there may not be anyone here who has a good answer to your question. I would direct you to SENG gifted, which supports the emotional needs of gifted. http://www.sengifted.org/

As for looking for something that might be the right type of work, i don't know if that can be predicted on a snapshot of scores (although admittedly I don't really know much about scores at all). I would suggest you take a myers-briggs type personality test, if you can. Does the school you graduated from offer career services for alumni? Maybe you could ask them about resources for interview practice, or maybe they even can tell you where you could take the myers-briggs. I found it really useful after college, because it gives you a good idea of the types of jobs you might enjoy/be good at based on the test. Or, maybe your state unemployment offices might have some good resources for you.

good luck, and i'm sorry you're having a hard time finding a job. It is also possible it's just the economy. (I've been looking for work, too, with no luck.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator (you could also peruse the m-b on wikipedia and see if you find your personality fits in any of the profiles. There are common occupations listed.)

No, I can assure you that no one was "put off" by anything. You are very welcome here.

I think you're just asking about things that we aren't very experienced with. Grinity raised the issues for discussion that I would ask, too. It is possible to be "twice exceptional": that is, gifted and with some sort of learning disability. That might be what's going on for you. Do you know much about this? It isn't an either/or thing.

Do you feel gifted? Do you think differently than other people? Do you learn differently?

These sorts of things matter more than test scores, really. A tst is just one snapshot on one day. How you feel and what you know about yourself is far more useful to you, far more important.

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable with trying to recommend a specific career path to you based on nothing more than a day's worth of IQ test scores and a pile of "I did horribly on"s. That's not enough to go on for me to start making recs about how you should live your life. Instead, I'll ask some questions to help you start thinking about how you want to live your life:

What do you enjoy? Waht are you passionate about? What do you think you're good at? What do you do/have you ever done that made you feel most like yourself? Most whole? Most fulfilled?

What do you detest doing? What do you never want to do again? Why not?

These sorts of questions are far more useful than test scores, I think, when trying to decide on a career path.

Have you considered using your college's career placement service? They might be helpful, and they will usually help alumni as well as current students. If that's impractical, there are career coaches who might be useful to you. And there are lots of books available on the subject of finding a career you can really care about and succeed in.

I'm happy to talk more if you want to discuss this further. But I'm not sure anyone here can give you exactly what you're asking for. If we did, I'm not sure it would be very useful to you anyway. Maybe this will work instead?

Yes, please definitely feel welcome - I have found this board to be the warmest friendliest place on line. Period.

Keep asking questions - there are probably lots we don't know the answers to, but many that folks here will probably have insights on. A link leads to another link, etc.

Starting with what you want to do is a good place. Did you get a chance to look at the site I sent? It may have a lot of good info on finding and enjoying work.

Hi Asiral,
I am sorry to hear you are having trouble finding work.
I just wanted to say the seng website is great.
I actually found a great therapist for my son on that website.

Well put, MON! I completely agree!

I am currently a client of my state's Vocational Rehabilitation office, but so far this hasn't borne any results. They have me see a person once a week who just sends my resume to places through on-line job sites. The problem with me is that I bomb interviews because I am intimidated that the job is above my head. I just bombed yet another interview this past Wednesday. Despite my high Verbal IQ, I have such strong weaknesses as well that it feels like I can't handle any half-way demanding job. It feels so unfair that a disability totally beyond my control and for which I am not remotely at fault limits me in life so much.

Well, it sounds like your disability isn't what's limiting you; it's your lack of self-confidence!

If you think you can't do it, then it's pretty much guaranteed that you can't. You know? It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

SOOOO....

What can you do to build your confidence?

Start small,
start with something mangeable (dare I say, "easy")

An internship or volunteer position might be just the thing! That way, there is less pressure.

What kind of volunteer/internship opportunity should you look for? something fun! or something you are really passionate about.

as was suggested before, your college career office should be able to help with this. They will have local information which is best but here are a few websites with nationwide coverage:

http://www.volunteermatch.org/
http://www.ysa.org/Resources/ToolsandWebsites/tabid/285/Default.aspx
http://internships.about.com/
http://www.internzoo.com/

volunteering might be just the thing because your fellow volunteers won't be judging your performance , they will be sharing in your enthusiasm and willingess to help. you can pick up useful skills and even a recommendation or two at the end. win win win!

Asiral. I have been given more than one test. It basically, from what I've figured, boils down to environment during testing. Your 135 is the 99th %le, that is awesome in that the subtest required for those index construct are the most reliable and valid of all the remaining subtests.1

After much reading I found that "labels" can be devastating, but one must remember that the results of ANY tests are TENTATIVE! Keep your head up!

My major in college was Linguistics, but honestly, I hated it and regret choosing it. I did not learn anything in it. The only reason I did not change it was because I chose my major late in my college career to begin with, (at the end of the second year) without having taken classes in it before the end of the second year at all. And since I wanted to graduate on time, I did not change it.

Now as for the degree to which my CP affects me. I have mild to moderate spastic diplegia, meaning that both of my legs are very tight and there is slight spasticity in my arms too (but the main effect is in my legs). I walk on my own two feet without any aids, however I limp and have a characteristic gait. Obviously, I am horrible at sports but I can go about my life relatively normally. As for speech, I have no impairment at all. So, there is just the physical effect and a learning disability.

I don't have a driver's license (and don't know if I'll ever get one since I am not confident in my ability to master driving) but I live in NYC so as long as the job is in the city, I can use public transportation.

I currently volunteer at Cerebral Palsy of NYS (however, I swear my CP had nothing to do with my ending up there.). It's basically an agency that services people with mental retardation and motor impairment through group homes, day centers and clinics. I volunteer in their central office doing menial clerical tasks: filing, alphabetizing, data entry, photocopying and faxing. However, I feel that while I can do this, I don't cognitively master the job as well as I'd like and am thus very discouraged. I also feel like I overstayed my welcome there and people are giving me hints that it's time to move on. Also, there is no chance of my getting a paid job there and I don't feel that's the best place for me to work at. Basically, I need to put my life in some definitive direction, since things are hanging on a limbo. I am being supported by my parents and social security disability but what if my parents are gone prematurely? I am 24 years old and really need some future.

Wow, MON! You should publish that post for all job seekers. LOADS of wisdom there! Just heaps and heaps!



I hope you're taking everything in there, asiral. She's so on the mark! Take it and run with it.