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    Hi,
    DD6 recently was part of a speech research study. As part of this they administered the KBIT. I got her scores today. Non-verbal - 133, Verbal - 104, Composite 122.
    Could anyone give any insight into the scores, especially the large discrepancy between non-verbal and verbal. I read somewhere before that a gap of 20 or more could point to a learning disability.

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    That is indeed a fairly sizable gap. A language-based learning disability is one of the possible interpretations/explanations. But not the only one. Do you see any indication IRL that she is stronger in visual-spatial, quantitative, or abstract problem-solving areas than she is in verbal areas? Or any sign that she is not as skilled in expressing herself verbally, or comprehending complex language? It's probably worth keeping an eye on, but not necessarily panicking over, unless you have other concerns, independent of the test score (of course, even then, no actual need to panic!).


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    She is definitely stronger in visual-spatial.
    I keep thinking about possible stealth dyslexia / dysgraphia because she fits many of the traits that I read about.

    As part of that research study they also did the CTOPP-2.
    Here are her scores (scaled score/percentile):
    Elision 14/91
    Blending Words 11/63
    Rapid Digit Naming 11/63
    Rapid Color Naming 12/75
    Rapid Object Naming 9/37

    Any insight into these, taking into account the KBIT scores?
    Would any other kind of testing help figure out what is going on? The other tests they performed were GFTA-2, KLPA-2, CELF-P2, TAPS-3, PPVT-4, EOWPVT-4, BOT-2.

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    As it happens, many of the kinds of instruments that could be informative have already been administered, since it was research into speech and language.

    Her CTOPP-2 scores are mainly notable for rapid naming at the same level as her apparent verbal intelligence, but well below her nonverbal. Phonological awareness is also at that level of concordance/discordance, with elision a little higher than the other scores. In a child of average intelligence, these scores would not be concerning. In a child of above average intelligence, I would want to keep an eye on the possibility of subtle dyslexic tendencies, and yes, dysgraphic tendencies, since the retrieval fluency area is consistently lower than her nonverbal intelligence.

    The factors that are considered most frequently indicative of reading disabilities are phonological awareness, rapid naming (retrieval fluency), and phonological memory (which is why these three areas are assessed by the CTOPP). We know that one of them is weaker than her nonverbal ability, and a second has inconsistencies, some of which are also weaker than NV ability. The third area was not reported for the CTOPP, but is measured on the CELF and TAPS, usually.

    In addition to these areas, fine motor coordination and challenges with automaticity can affect written expression (dysgraphia). The BOT-2 should give you some information on fine motor skills.

    The GFTA and KLPA are more related to articulation, which is not as directly related to dyslexia/dysgraphia, except insofar as articulation is sometimes a manifestation of oral-motor apraxia, which is sometimes part of larger motor coordination problems, which, in turn, sometimes manifest as dysgraphia. (Whew!)

    The key testing that would be important for ruling in/out dyslexia/dysgraphia would be achievement testing. Ideally, one would also want something like the PAL-2, which teases out different aspects of reading and writing skills, fluency, and comprehension.

    But rather than seeking out specific additional testing, if you are really concerned about clearing up the question of dyslexia/dysgraphia, I would suggest taking your existing data to a neuro, school, or clinical psychologist with experience with stealth/compensated dyslexia in GT children, and having them make the decisions about additional testing, in case the traits that are red-flagging are indicative of something else, not dyslexia.


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