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One thing I noted from the article that I see in the students I know. Most of them will accept the "top rated" school they get into irregardless of fit. I remember asking one young woman a few years back why she chose X Ivy League, and she honestly said "it was the best school I got into." Yes! This! And it continues, too..."best" law/med school, "best" specialty, "best" corporate firm/hospital,... until the body, mind, or both can't take the constant pressure (or the drudgery of doing something outwardly prestigious that they hate) and they snap. The brightest people are starving themselves of food, sleep, exercise, and human contact, then fail at being Perfect while operating 18+ hours/day in The Ideal Role and suddenly have a crisis of identity. Because, if they can't be superhuman, then clearly everything they thought they knew about themselves must be discarded. And then this happens, and they feel like imposters in their own skin: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2013/05/depression-part-two.html?m=1You are supposed to go to the "best law school" that accepts you because that's how law world works. Law world is massively overproducing lawyers with overpriced tuition. Law school doesn't really have "fit", unless you are talking about similarly ranked schools. See current employment stats for details. Yes, and when two lawyers from the top school and top firm with corner offices meet, any ties are broken by whose book last year was worth more. Dance, puppets!
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One thing I noted from the article that I see in the students I know. Most of them will accept the "top rated" school they get into irregardless of fit. I remember asking one young woman a few years back why she chose X Ivy League, and she honestly said "it was the best school I got into." Yes! This! And it continues, too..."best" law/med school, "best" specialty, "best" corporate firm/hospital,... until the body, mind, or both can't take the constant pressure (or the drudgery of doing something outwardly prestigious that they hate) and they snap. The brightest people are starving themselves of food, sleep, exercise, and human contact, then fail at being Perfect while operating 18+ hours/day in The Ideal Role and suddenly have a crisis of identity. Because, if they can't be superhuman, then clearly everything they thought they knew about themselves must be discarded. And then this happens, and they feel like imposters in their own skin: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2013/05/depression-part-two.html?m=1You are supposed to go to the "best law school" that accepts you because that's how law world works. Law world is massively overproducing lawyers with overpriced tuition. Law school doesn't really have "fit", unless you are talking about similarly ranked schools. See current employment stats for details. Yes, and when two lawyers from the top school and top firm with corner offices meet, any ties are broken by whose book last year was worth more. Dance, puppets! That's so 20th century. I'm talking about the more relevant modern question: "Will I be able to find any employment at all that will allow me to pay back my $200,000 debt within my lifetime?"
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[quote=aquinas][quote=JonLaw][quote=aquinas][Quote=Bluemagic]
I'm talking about the more relevant modern question:
"Will I be able to find any employment at all that will allow me to pay back my $200,000 debt within my lifetime?" Plan of attack: (a) Increase 529 contributions asap. (b) support the "Hire Skill, Not School" campaign currently under way in SF Bay Area. The "Skill Not School" campaign is currently focused on programmers. But Google purports to support it, and I'm planning to try and get a Google person to talk to our school district about it in a PTA forum directed at recent teen suicides in the area. And I really want to keep DS from needing huge loans. I will expect him to work to help pay for college though! (That's just me based on my experience. YMMV.) Sue I doubt it's a panacea, but it does take away the college admissions drama.
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I'm still holding out hope that the MOOC revolution is going to materialize.
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[quote=aquinas][quote=JonLaw][quote=aquinas][Quote=Bluemagic]
I'm talking about the more relevant modern question:
"Will I be able to find any employment at all that will allow me to pay back my $200,000 debt within my lifetime?" Plan of attack: (a) Increase 529 contributions asap. (b) support the "Hire Skill, Not School" campaign currently under way in SF Bay Area. The "Skill Not School" campaign is currently focused on programmers. But Google purports to support it, and I'm planning to try and get a Google person to talk to our school district about it in a PTA forum directed at recent teen suicides in the area. And I really want to keep DS from needing huge loans. I will expect him to work to help pay for college though! (That's just me based on my experience. YMMV.) Sue I doubt it's a panacea, but it does take away the college admissions drama. So this is a solution less likely to be proposed in high-achieving school districts, but consider this: if you can find someone to do some hands-on training, and acquire appropriate textbooks, a motivated high VS kid can pretty easily acquire sufficient skills in a trade to pass certification tests, allowing him or her to take actual living or near-living wage jobs while in college. (Check out first-year apprentice electrician, plumber, or HVAC hourly wages, for example.) It's a handy skill to have anyway, should one ever become a homeowner. Plus, it's not on your typical elite college app...
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... it does take away the college admissions drama. Yes. Also along these lines, several posts on a recent thread discussed ideas for finding a good "fit", including alternative college experiences.
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