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    My four and half years old boy has been learning subtraction from me.
    Such as:

    46 - 29 =
    (30 - 20) + (16-9)= 17

    Two days ago, I introduced him negative number concept.
    such as: 3-5 = (-2) and 5+(-3)=2.

    Last night, he showed me his own interesting way to deal with the same subtraction question without using the concept of borrowing:

    46-29=
    (40-20) + (6-9) = 20 +(-3) = 17

    How about that.... smile

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    That is cool!

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    Excellent! It's lovely that his interest is motivating him to think about the concepts on his own.


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    Congrats on encouraging him to express how he is thinking so successfully!

    I had a similarly cool moment once when buying bottles of water for a party - there were 4 crates of water that were 7 bottles 'wide' and 5 bottles 'deep' . I asked my DD who was 6 at the time, how many bottles there were in total . She replied 140 and I would have left it at that (pleased) but she then went on to explain that 140 was 4 x 35 (how I had expected her to arrive at the total), 7 x 20 and 5 x 28 - the fact that she appeared to be able to so trivially visualize the 'cube' and take slices in all 3 dimensions amazed me!

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    Originally Posted by madeinuk
    Congrats on encouraging him to express how he is thinking so successfully!

    I had a similarly cool moment once when buying bottles of water for a party - there were 4 crates of water that were 7 bottles 'wide' and 5 bottles 'deep' . I asked my DD who was 6 at the time,......!


    I share your joy..

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    I always said this to him, math is fun and you can play with numbers back and forth..in math..

    Today he applied his little "invention" to the math question below:

    86 + [] - 32 = 61

    He split the equation into Tens and Ones
    6 + [] - 2 = 1 []=(-3)
    80+ [] -30 =60 []=10
    []= 10-3 =7

    How about that ....

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    I was a teacher's assistant in high school, and I used to get impatient with students who would take a long time to make simple calculations. (Though I always tried to smile and keep my impatience from showing.) I asked a few of the students to explain their thought processes to me. I was rather surprised by the result. The students were (still) following calculation techniques step for step as they had been explained to them.

    Q) 46 - 29 = ?
    1) attempt 6-9. Oops, I need 10 extra.
    2) 40 - 10 = 30
    3) (30 + 16) - 29 = ?
    4) 16 - 9 = 7 ones
    5) 30 - 20 = 1 ten
    6) 17

    By contrast, when I was performing the calculations, I always looked for the simplest way to relate a problem to a math fact I had previously memorized, or which was exceedingly simple to compute.

    Q) 46 - 29 = ?
    1) 46 - 29 = (36 - 29) + (46 - 36)
    2) 36 - 29 is equivalent to 16 - 9 = 7
    3) 46 - 36 = 10
    4) 10 + 7 = 17

    In my head, it goes more like this:
    What does it take to get to 36 from 29? 7
    What does it take to get to 46 from 36? 10.
    17.

    I guess my questions is:
    If these types of techniques make people faster, are teachers advocating them enough? No one ever suggested to me that I re-imagine problems as a series of simpler calculations (except for the standard model applicable to every single question of the same type). It just happened.

    One of my favorite substitutions is the difference of 2 squares. For example, 14*18.

    14*18 = (16-2)*(16+2) = 16^2 - 2^2 = 256 - 4 = 252.

    Myfav, it's awesome that your boy is taking note of mathematical equivalents at a young age.

    When I was young, I used to count and recount my coins. I didn't acquire money often, so often times I'd be re-counting the same quantity. I could count it in a lot of different ways, and naturally, some ways were more efficient than others. When the amount did change, sometimes the relative efficiency of the counting techniques would change too. Maybe one of the reasons I didn't end up blindly repeating the methods my teachers had taught me was that I had already come up with numerous techniques before they ever shared their technique with me.

    When I was 5 and 6 I used to race the tellers (and their cash registers) in figuring out my mother's change when she purchased something. Now people use credit cards for everything.

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    Originally Posted by DAD22
    I was a teacher's assistant in high school, ..... Now people use credit cards for everything.


    that quick double digit multiplication is brilliant...
    It is in my pocket now and I will share it with my boy..

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    DS 5.5 does the calculations in a really different way from myself. He was doing his homework, like 36+28. I had never thought of doing them the way he proposed and it just opened up my eyes to interesting ways of thinking about digits.

    At Kumon, where he does problems like 56÷573 he doesn't like to write anything down but rather does it in his head. I can see the "SHOW YOUR WORK" nightmare coming in school...


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