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    "FUTURA is a pull out program where identified students in grades 4 and 5 receive enrichment and challenge one day a week in a center at another school."


    Is this meant to imply that gifted children don't receive enrichment or challenges 4 out of 5 days of the school week? That's how I read it.

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    Um, welcome to my school district (or its twin at any rate). Sigh.

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    What? Not till 4 or 5 th grade? Is that to account for all the kids that level out (sarcasm intended!)?

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    Yup.

    Welcome to Gifted Education in the state of Oregon. That's in a GOOD district, by the way.


    Oh, but there are LOADS of AP options to choose from. When you're a senior. Some "highly qualified" juniors may want to discuss those options with a high school counselor, too. (Of course, they shove almost all college-bound kids into those classes, so watering them down a bit is rather a given... but anyway).

    You can always sit in the back of the room and work on your own out of a book (provided by your parents). Just don't expect any instruction at your level. (No, really-- this has actually happened to several students I know personally during middle school, and they were NOTHING like PG... they just needed geometry in 8th grade... eek )

    Whoops. I guess my bitterness is showing. I wonder sometimes why my state even bothers mandated identification. Is it to gather data? Because it sure isn't to offer those kids real differentiation as needed. smirk


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    Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
    I wonder sometimes why my state even bothers mandated identification. Is it to gather data? Because it sure isn't to offer those kids real differentiation as needed. smirk

    I don't have first hand experience with my school's programs yet (my oldest is 3.5) but I am worried that often times these programs are effective only at placating most parents and momentarily occupying the minds of bright students. Without compacting curricula, the pace of learning is ultimately unaffected, and gifted students are destined for copious amounts of boredom. I see references to acceleration, but not to compacting, nor to the standards they might apply when considering a grade skip. I am contemplating writing a letter to request clarification about these things.

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    I would have the same concerns, DAD22. You may find that the school teachers and admins wax bubbly about "horizontal acceleration", a term they use locally here to mean time-filling sorts of enrichment designed to slow down progress, i.e. an anti-acceleration strategy.


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    Originally Posted by DAD22
    Is this meant to imply that gifted children don't receive enrichment or challenges 4 out of 5 days of the school week? That's how I read it.

    I would read it that way... with the additional observation that neither enrichment nor challenge are available at the child's own school. The school is basically running up the white flag.

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    Presuming I stumbled upon the right school... all students K-3 are given "enrichment" and critical thinking lessons. The district gifted plan claims to use in class coordinators to provide more accelerated work.

    I think the big question I would ask is how many of their teachers are gifted certified in K-3.

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    Originally Posted by Zen Scanner
    Presuming I stumbled upon the right school... all students K-3 are given "enrichment" and critical thinking lessons. The district gifted plan claims to use in class coordinators to provide more accelerated work.

    I think the big question I would ask is how many of their teachers are gifted certified in K-3.

    Yes, the plan makes many such claims. However I thought it was funny, as the sentence I pulled out could (should) have been stated:

    "FUTURA is a pull out program where identified students in grades 4 and 5 receive additional enrichment and challenge one day a week in a center at another school."

    Since the entire program description lacks a discussion about grade skipping, I am certainly concerned that the pull-outs and in-class acceleration don't amount to much. If you've been accelerated year after year shouldn't your abilities eventually align better with students in the class above yours? Or were you exposed to a little bit of 2nd grade work as a 1st grader... only to study those same lessons in regular class the next year, while having limited exposure to 3rd grade work... only to study those same lessons in regular class the next year, while having limited exposure to 4th grade work...

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    Originally Posted by Zen Scanner
    I think the big question I would ask is how many of their teachers are gifted certified in K-3.


    This is only of partial use. The most woefully inept teachers we've had the misfortune to encounter were three gifted-certified teachers at our local middle school magnet program. They had the certifications, but that didn't mean they had internalized the information, especially when dealing with Miss PG-and-2E.
    Conversely, the teacher who was most adept at handling bright kids was an elementary teacher with no particular certifications-- but 37 years' experience. She was pretty hard to rattle.


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