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    I wrote a big post in response to Grinity with the scores on it but I think it's lost? Anyway, here they are again (roughly)

    WISC IV (Dr. said to use GAI due to spread of scores, said WM and PSI were normal, but lower obviously)

    Verbal Comp 125 (95%)
    Perceptual Reasoning 130 (98%)
    Working Memory 100 (50%)
    Processing Speed 110 (75%)
    FSIQ 125 (95%)
    GAI 135 (99%)

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    Originally Posted by master of none
    I don't know of any studies that support giving a child work that is too easy in order to develop learning habits. We heard that theory though at many of the schools we looked at, all but two of the Catholic schools.

    My dd is 9 and she has looked like she has ADHD many a time. Her pediatrician has been itchin to refer her for medication, but each time it seems like it's definitely an attention and focus issue, it spontaneously resolves with more challenging work. The jury is still out on ours, but exercise and challenging work do wonders to regulate our little one's brain.

    What they are telling your DS with keeping him in a lower group? He is hearing that "learning behaviors" are more important than learning. And that he isn't as capable as the kids who are in the higher group--this can lead to him searching for the thing that is wrong with him, trying very hard to "apply" himself unsuccessfully to boring work (especially if he has ADD!), and eventually to not believing he is very smart or trusting himself to be capable.

    Unless they can say that he can't learn the material at the higher level because of his inattention, it might be good to at least try it, while you go to your tester and ask about his/her observations and how to proceed.

    I love your first sentence, thank you for that. I might be using that one!

    I don't see the big deal with just letting him try it out either. My theory is, as long as he isn't disruptive to the other kids which is just not his thing, that I'd rather have him space out in a room where the content is a little higher than space out in a room where the content is too low.

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    Originally Posted by maya99
    Thanks polarbear. I think there is something going on, not sure about fine motor skills (we had an OT eval done a year or so ago for that). But I totally agree and I'm on the school's side on this one. If he can't handle the pace due to organizational challenges by whatever cause, then they need to be cognizant of that. I guess I just wish there was a third way, where he could get the challenge he needs along with accommodations.

    But there absolutely is a way to give him the challenge even if he has organizational challenges - he's entitled to his FAPE smile (If you haven't heard of FAPE, check out www.wrightslaw.org). My ds is extremely organizationally challenged, but he is equally organizationally challenged across grade levels - what needs to be accommodated re organization at his age-grade-level also needs to be accommodated at his intellectual-grade-level and vice-versa - and that's all very *doable*. Once you know what your ds is challenged with that's causing the organizational issues and time/speed issues, then you'll know what accommodations he needs, and then he should be able to work at whatever grade level equivalent he needs to be at smile

    I also agree yet don't entirely agree that moving him up into a more challenging set of coursework while you're trying to figure out what's at the root cause of it is the way to go - I think that partly depends on your ds' personality, and your gut feeling re what's really going on. If there's a challenge that's impacting his academics - for instance, my ds couldn't produce handwriting but we didn't realize that when he was struggling - moving him up in curriculum could have had a disastrous impact on his mental health - depending on the teacher he was with. OTOH if his mental health is being impacted severely at this point, any change is probably going to be a good change - but I didn't see that he is complaining of boredom to you in your original post.

    FWIW it felt like we were "losing ground" over where our ds "should be" in early-mid elementary school as we went through the journey of trying to understand his challenges and how to accommodate for them - but ds made up most of that ground and then some when he entered middle school, where he could test into the advanced and honors classes etc. Plus we realized by mid-4th grade that "regular" school was never going to completely fulfill our ds' intellectual needs - no matter what level of coursework he was allowed to take. His intellectual cravings are mostly filled in after-schooling following his leads and passions.

    It's possible that you can do some things to get through an eval as quickly as possible - and once you're through, again, you'll have data on your side that your school will have to consider, rather than just writing you off as an overly pushy parent. If you're considering a private eval, ask your ped to make the referral for you - that may get you an appointment quicker than going onto the regular waiting list.

    Best wishes,

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    Originally Posted by polarbear
    Originally Posted by maya99
    Thanks polarbear. I think there is something going on, not sure about fine motor skills (we had an OT eval done a year or so ago for that). But I totally agree and I'm on the school's side on this one. If he can't handle the pace due to organizational challenges by whatever cause, then they need to be cognizant of that. I guess I just wish there was a third way, where he could get the challenge he needs along with accommodations.

    But there absolutely is a way to give him the challenge even if he has organizational challenges - he's entitled to his FAPE smile (If you haven't heard of FAPE, check out www.wrightslaw.org). My ds is extremely organizationally challenged, but he is equally organizationally challenged across grade levels - what needs to be accommodated re organization at his age-grade-level also needs to be accommodated at his intellectual-grade-level and vice-versa - and that's all very *doable*. Once you know what your ds is challenged with that's causing the organizational issues and time/speed issues, then you'll know what accommodations he needs, and then he should be able to work at whatever grade level equivalent he needs to be at smile

    I also agree yet don't entirely agree that moving him up into a more challenging set of coursework while you're trying to figure out what's at the root cause of it is the way to go - I think that partly depends on your ds' personality, and your gut feeling re what's really going on. If there's a challenge that's impacting his academics - for instance, my ds couldn't produce handwriting but we didn't realize that when he was struggling - moving him up in curriculum could have had a disastrous impact on his mental health - depending on the teacher he was with. OTOH if his mental health is being impacted severely at this point, any change is probably going to be a good change - but I didn't see that he is complaining of boredom to you in your original post.

    FWIW it felt like we were "losing ground" over where our ds "should be" in early-mid elementary school as we went through the journey of trying to understand his challenges and how to accommodate for them - but ds made up most of that ground and then some when he entered middle school, where he could test into the advanced and honors classes etc. Plus we realized by mid-4th grade that "regular" school was never going to completely fulfill our ds' intellectual needs - no matter what level of coursework he was allowed to take. His intellectual cravings are mostly filled in after-schooling following his leads and passions.

    It's possible that you can do some things to get through an eval as quickly as possible - and once you're through, again, you'll have data on your side that your school will have to consider, rather than just writing you off as an overly pushy parent. If you're considering a private eval, ask your ped to make the referral for you - that may get you an appointment quicker than going onto the regular waiting list.

    Best wishes,

    polarbear

    I'm not sure if he is entitled to his FAPE since it's a parochial school? I doubt it. They do have kids with some special needs, but they seem to just try to wing it. We've been doing stuff on our own (the WISC and before that the OT eval which turned up nothing).

    I think you make a great point re mental health. Right now, he is very happy in school, he has a lot of friends, he has excellent social skills, he enjoys going there every day, we are very lucky in this way. OTOH, I don't think the work is that advanced in these groups that he couldn't handle it either, or at least handle it as well as he is handling regular work.

    My strong hunch is that it's ADD-PI/SCT. I don't want to jump to meds right now (no judgment on meds there, just where we are right now). So there are so many competing factors going on making things seem very complicated right now. And again, the fact it is a private school is making it harder!

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