Thanks, aeh. When I have enough time and energy, I can normally get DS excited about most any topic. This was a strength, when I taught, the ability to have kids make personal connections. Also a weakness, because the follow-through is SO DIFFICULT. At 13, DS is much more difficult to reach--it requires an advanced finesse. He is extraordinarily resistant to anything he thinks is "pointless." We are having to get creative around here in developing a cause/effect mentality.