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My son devoured Beast Academy last year. Do you know if there is anything BA style for science?
Posted By: Madoosa Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/17/13 02:41 PM
I'm not sure how Beast Academy works, but the only science curriculum we have found to be absolutely ideal on every level is superchargedscience.com Best of all the kids can do it on their own! It's a monthly subscription that you pay and it's online. SO worth it!

In fact, we have promised Aiden that when he starts working more independently in all other areas and is solid on grade 4 level across all subjects that we will be buying him a full subscription and building a science lab. THAT's how awesome just the free stuff is.
I was curious about your post, since this is definitely something I will have to research in the future. I've noticed that The Well-Trained Mind Board and other homeschool forums and blogs review curriculum. I haven't explored them yet, but it may be useful to you in evaluating science curriculum.

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/468811-supercharged-science-questions/


http://schoolhousereviewcrew.com/supercharged-science-review/

http://www.linkytools.com/wordpress_list.aspx?id=187136&type=thumbnail&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
Posted By: Madoosa Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/17/13 08:18 PM
good reviews all around smile Like I said it's a great science program
Posted By: Chana Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/18/13 04:22 AM
Portia, we are using Apologia also. We are using the Young Explorer Chemistry and Physics. I actually like the experiments in that one. We do at least one every day. I like it because even though she needs me to read it because of its depth, it is written in a way that if I read it, she can understand it. What are you supplementing with?

We tried supercharged science for my DD8, but I found the reading too complicated. I was having to re-explain everything. I think we will do supercharged science with my DD10 next year, if she homeschools. She would be able to handle doing it on her own.
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The Science Mastery program covers neither creation nor evolution.

@#!@$!!!!

This is ridiculous. A good science education must cover evolution. I think it's insane to try to pander to the young earth homeschooling set by not covering this.
Posted By: 22B Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/19/13 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by ultramarina
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The Science Mastery program covers neither creation nor evolution.

@#!@$!!!!

This is ridiculous. A good science education must cover evolution. I think it's insane to try to pander to the young earth homeschooling set by not covering this.

What is this quote referring to? (I agree with you.)

22B, that quote apparently comes directly from the website. It is visible here:

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/468811-supercharged-science-questions/

I looked at the curriculum and it really looked good, but with a marked emphasis on physical science; life science looked to get short shrift. As it might, if you can't talk about freaking evolution.

I don't know if she discusses the age of the earth and the universe. I looked at the geology samples and she didn't seem to, but it was quite a limited sample. If not, that is absolutely a total killer for me. Come on.
Posted By: Chana Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/22/13 08:10 PM
Portia, Thanks. I was wondering about the experiments. I just buy all the materials and we do the book experiments together. This one(Chemistry and Physics) is the first one we are using and she really likes them. She uses the notebook that comes with it to write about all the experiments. Our experiments usually end up with a multitude of offshoot experiments of her own. I like your ideas on the botany etc. and the pea experiment because right now she only wants to learn about chemistry and physics because she likes those types of experiments. I will have to try to find a way to make the life sciences interesting to her in the future. She wants to do something and see something happen.
Posted By: 22B Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/22/13 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by ultramarina
22B, that quote apparently comes directly from the website. It is visible here:

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/468811-supercharged-science-questions/

I looked at the curriculum and it really looked good, but with a marked emphasis on physical science; life science looked to get short shrift. As it might, if you can't talk about freaking evolution.

I don't know if she discusses the age of the earth and the universe. I looked at the geology samples and she didn't seem to, but it was quite a limited sample. If not, that is absolutely a total killer for me. Come on.

Thanks for the reference. I see it now.
Posted By: puffin Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/24/13 08:19 AM
There is a lot you can do with science with evolution or creation coming up. I don't recall either being covered in any of my classes - either high school or university. Evolution was discussed in relation to changes to species especially micro-organisms but not in the grand scheme of the beginning of life. I think evolution was assumed but I met my first creationists at university.
Posted By: madeinuk Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/24/13 01:09 PM
In the rest of the World (outside of the USA) there just isn't the hysteria around religion versus evolution as though one threatens the other at all.

A couple to trips to the local library/Wikipedia/other online encyclopedias are all that's needed, frankly. There is SO much more to explore in the Physical sciences without the need for excitement over this topic ( either way).

I can see how the home schooling curricula providers may skirt around this because many home schooling families are home schooling purely because they want their children to grow up not exposed to theories like Evolution etc - it would be bad for business ( and these people are not doing this for fun, right?). Better for them to let sleeping dogs lie and let the individual families decide on their own than risk upsetting their customer bases.

Like Puffin, Evolution was just assumed in the UK and I went to Catholic schools! I wouldn't black ball a curriculum just because it didn't cover a contentious issue and instead left covering it and the depth/breadth of coverage to the children's parents myself...
Posted By: Madoosa Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/27/13 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by madeinuk
I can see how the home schooling curricula providers may skirt around this because many home schooling families are home schooling purely because they want their children to grow up not exposed to theories like Evolution etc - it would be bad for business ( and these people are not doing this for fun, right?). Better for them to let sleeping dogs lie and let the individual families decide on their own than risk upsetting their customer bases.

I agree with everything else you said but this. There is such a wide and varied world populace of homeschoolers now that this is really not the average anymore. Even here in South Africa the mix of reasons for choosing homeschooling as an educational option are so diverse that I think you would have a hard time trying to decide on the "main reason".

Also, the variety of family types who homeschool are just not quantifiable by a specific imaginary stereotype. People that choose this educational path vary from professionals (doctors, teachers, lawyers) through to seasonal workers who move around a lot. You get those who homeschool because their kid struggles, because he is moving too quickly, because they want less pressure for their child and because their child is an aspiring actor/sportsperson. Some choose it because they live too far out, because there is no school that caters to their child's learning style and for allergies or health issues.

Yes there are those who choose to homeschool to avoid (or to push) certain topics, and there are those who do it to provide a wider variety of topics and learning opportunities as well. You just cannot make a blanket statement like this about what is arguably the world's fastest growing learning style without annoying those of us who are choosing this path for our own varied reasons.

And I have found that many curriculum providers DID start out as someone wanting to make a discernable difference in education - that it grew into a business model that supports hundred of various curriculum and support providers is just further proof of the invalidity of your statement.
Posted By: Madoosa Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/28/13 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Portia
No offense intended in this post Madoosa. I believe madeinuk's statement referred to the volatility around evolution vs creationism found in the US. Even for those who homeschool here for the various reasons you mentioned, the evolution/creationism topic can be a touchy subject.

It shouldn't be - it should be a wonderful opportunity to teach respect and acceptance of everyone's point of view in my opinion as well as a great chance to show kids that there is not necessarily one absolute truth that is infallible.

But I hear you and I know it's not like that in reality. frown

I think adults could use this as a wonderful teaching opportunity of even how to respectfully debate AND how to think critically for themselves.

I guess I am spoilt by our unschooling group where the kids openly discuss this, share their ideas and accept everyone's point of view and allow all the kids to express their feelings on the topic without judgement, pressure or angst.
Posted By: 22B Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/28/13 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Madoosa
Originally Posted by Portia
No offense intended in this post Madoosa. I believe madeinuk's statement referred to the volatility around evolution vs creationism found in the US. Even for those who homeschool here for the various reasons you mentioned, the evolution/creationism topic can be a touchy subject.

It shouldn't be - it should be a wonderful opportunity to teach respect and acceptance of everyone's point of view in my opinion as well as a great chance to show kids that there is not necessarily one absolute truth that is infallible.

But I hear you and I know it's not like that in reality. frown

I think adults could use this as a wonderful teaching opportunity of even how to respectfully debate AND how to think critically for themselves.

I guess I am spoilt by our unschooling group where the kids openly discuss this, share their ideas and accept everyone's point of view and allow all the kids to express their feelings on the topic without judgement, pressure or angst.

No offense intended, but you're obviously not familiar with these debates in the US, because the creationists love your message, and they use that argument all the time. It's one of the main pillars of their strategy.
Posted By: SAHM Re: science curriculum like Beast Academy? - 11/29/13 01:27 AM
Not as meaty as Beast Academy, but the Max Axiom series provide a nice introduction to many science topics. Our library carries them. I don't necessarily see them as worth investing in due to price for length and depth but definitely worth checking out from the library for elementary age.
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There is a lot you can do with science with evolution or creation coming up. I don't recall either being covered in any of my classes - either high school or university.

*boggle*

How? My children have been asking me questions that naturally led to discussion of evolution since they were like 3. How old is the earth? How did we get here? Where did human beings come from? Why is X species not around any more? Any visit to a natural history museum is utterly devoid of sense without discussion of evolution. Any discussions of the epochs of geologic time makes no sense without it.
Which reminds me, Skeptic magazine has some great material in their Junior edition:
http://www.skeptic.com/junior_skeptic/

Different than coursework, but the tone, content, and depth of thoughtwork is in lines with what I saw in Beast Academy.
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