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Taking notes by hand from a lecture seems low-tech. Why doesn't the teacher just post her lecture notes? But according this article, note-taking forces people to think about the material, helping them to remember more.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ecture-better-take-notes-by-hand/361478/
To Remember a Lecture Better, Take Notes by Hand
Students do worse on quizzes when they use keyboards in class.
ROBINSON MEYER
The Atlantic
MAY 1 2014, 1:35 PM ET

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A new study—conducted by Mueller and Oppenheimer—finds that people remember lectures better when they’ve taken handwritten notes, rather than typed ones.

What's more, knowing how and why typed notes can be bad doesn't seem to improve their quality. Even if you warn laptop-notetakers ahead of time, it doesn't make a difference. For some tasks, it seems, handwriting’s just better.

Here is the paper being discussed:

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/04/22/0956797614524581.abstract
The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard
Advantages of Longhand Over Laptop Note Taking
Pam A. Mueller
Daniel M. Oppenheimer
Psychological Science
April 23, 2014

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Taking notes on laptops rather than in longhand is increasingly common. Many researchers have suggested that laptop note taking is less effective than longhand note taking for learning. Prior studies have primarily focused on students’ capacity for multitasking and distraction when using laptops. The present research suggests that even when laptops are used solely to take notes, they may still be impairing learning because their use results in shallower processing. In three studies, we found that students who took notes on laptops performed worse on conceptual questions than students who took notes longhand. We show that whereas taking more notes can be beneficial, laptop note takers’ tendency to transcribe lectures verbatim rather than processing information and reframing it in their own words is detrimental to learning.
Yup.

I've been saying this for years-- anyone who CAN take notes by hand probably should be doing so-- even if they type them later.


(Obviously, for laptop keyboarding is preferable for anyone with a disability that interferes with note-taking, but otherwise, it's pretty important.)

Also highlights for me the assertion (by me and also backed by some research that apparently is quite unpopular since nobody WANTS to think about this one)-- computer screens are not the equal of pencil-and-paper when it comes to learning and assessment, either.


Abstracts really should include research design. I'd need to know if groups were randomly assigned to long hand vs. laptop before the research is even worth considering. And I'd like to know if a "no notes" group was part of the study.

Even though I personlly agree with one concept in the abstract: if I am typing then I am doing ear to finger transcription. Long hand for me means doodling and never again looking at the notes. But I figure I occupy the noise in most studies.
My handwritten notes looks terrible and I almost never used them. But I am sure the act of taking them did help me study. My problem with my DS is he doesn't see why he should have to take notes at ALL. The material is in the book, and he believes he remembers it all after one sitting. But in looking though one of his notebooks yesterday to look for a writing sample, I did notice that he does take notes he just doesn't think he should HAVE to.

Another question about the study. Many college professors now provide their "notes" online making taking notes at ALL unnecessary. And I have heard of teachers/professors who would prefer that students put down all pencils, electronics and just pay attention in class. Did this study address this issue?

Something similar, yesterday I was linked to this about the benefits of doodling.

http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/teaching_now/2014/04/the_case_for_drawing_doodling_in_class.html

But what about the issue that many kids who are "taking notes on their computer" are actually chatting with friends, looking over tumblr/facebook. Or just web browsing.
Hand writing lecture notes always helped me because if something didn't just automatically come to me during a test I could always visualize the page of notes and where on that page that information was - viola it would come to me!
I also did my fair share of doodling on my notes, which actually helped too. If a certain doodle was on the page with the answer that was helpful to recall the information.
I always thought I was a more concrete, hands-on learner, but maybe I'm more visual (huh!?! - things that make you go hmmmm!)
My best performance was in classes where lecture notes were handed out in advance, and I knit during the lecture, occasionally pausing to write something on the handouts.
I've done my own experimentation on college students:

Publish slides without any words, telling them to fill in the words from what I show and say
Publish slides with words and additional annotations in the "notes" field.

For low level classes that require little more than regurgitate and fill in the bubble, grades are higher in the second set. For higher level classes that require synthesis and inference, grades are higher in the first set.

It's not a formal study by any means (nor approved by IRB), but I did it for myself to figure out how to best teach for myself and my classes.

There are fMRI studies that show that writing by hand engages more of the brain than typing, which can explain at least some of the effect.
Yes -- DS11 had an assignment yesterday to write the quadratic formula ten times and then memorize it to a song. (Oddly, because the class has not been silly up to this point, but I think they're marking time since next week is the end of classes.)

He wanted to copy/paste it, and I had to fight him to get him to write it down -- we settled on five times and a copy/paste of that, because he knows it in his sleep already, but then he spent ten minutes making a text animation of it in AfterEffects.

I had a government teacher who punished tardies and absences by making the student write the chapter (it could be typed). After the only time I ever *had* to do that, I did it for every chapter on my own because it was the best studying there was! Once I wrote it down, even typing it, it was in my brain.
Not true for me. I can either write or think, not both.
I was the same way when I was younger.

Thanks to technology I can spend quality time listening AND jot down salient points knowing that I can circle back and use the intranet/Internet/follow up calls and conversations to fill in gaps.

Back in the day, I could only follow the arguments being made XOR take coherent notes.
I almost have to write to think. Or read it as if I were writing it.

DS gets so frustrated with me when he asks about something in his algebra and I have to come over and read it myself. When he reads it to me, it goes in one ear and out the other.
Nautigal, I am exactly the same way. I mean-- I just process auditory information so differently-- entirely verbally.

Weirdly, I can watch a movie with subtitles under far more distracting circumstances than I can listen to an audiobook.

When I knit, the latter calls for something mindless, and I can do a lace pattern with the former.

It's downright weird. I'm so not a podcast kind of person, and I hate talk radio.

Originally Posted by ColinsMum
Not true for me. I can either write or think, not both.

Same. I'm an auditory learner and retain the most material without note-taking. My ideal is lecture note handouts that I refer to later on the day of the class. I skim once during the start of class then read it out loud to myself and it's in my memory for good.

I should add that I speak a mile a minute and prefer very fast talkers. If only all my profs could have been former auctioneers!
Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
Nautigal, I am exactly the same way. I mean-- I just process auditory information so differently-- entirely verbally.

Weirdly, I can watch a movie with subtitles under far more distracting circumstances than I can listen to an audiobook.

When I knit, the latter calls for something mindless, and I can do a lace pattern with the former.

It's downright weird. I'm so not a podcast kind of person, and I hate talk radio.
This sounds like me as well. The only time I ever got a speeding ticket was driving while listening to a audio book. I hate talk radio, podcasts and only enjoy audio books when riding in car on a long trip when I am not driving. No one in my house can read in the car, it makes us car sick.
I can listen, write and think but I cannot type and think at the same time at all, listening or not. I absolutely cannot listen, write, think, and talk. The only way I can take meeting minutes is if I am not expected to participate in the conversation.
Originally Posted by ColinsMum
Not true for me. I can either write or think, not both.
Me too. That explains my thoughtless posts.
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I should add that I speak a mile a minute and prefer very fast talkers. If only all my profs could have been former auctioneers!

I'm the same way! I love Vi Hart's videos for this reason--she "speaks" at the right speed!! Lectures are and always have been hard for me because people talk too slowly. I can't watch TED talks. I really prefer to read everything.

I do listen to NPR sometimes, but only if I am doing something else that occupies me at the same time. I would never just sit there and listen to it. Augh! The whole idea makes me itch.
I am not a good note taker in the sense that my notes are not good to look back at. However, I do find that jotting down a few key points helps me process *at the time.* Then I can throw it away.
Originally Posted by aquinas
I should add that I speak a mile a minute and prefer very fast talkers. If only all my profs could have been former auctioneers!

Me, too! People have always told me I talk too fast -- I tell them they don't listen fast enough. laugh
Another article saying that writing by hand matters, this time focusing on younger students:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/science/whats-lost-as-handwriting-fades.html
What’s Lost as Handwriting Fades
By MARIA KONNIKOVA
New York Times
JUNE 2, 2014

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New evidence suggests that the links between handwriting and broader educational development run deep.

Children not only learn to read more quickly when they first learn to write by hand, but they also remain better able to generate ideas and retain information. In other words, it’s not just what we write that matters — but how.

“When we write, a unique neural circuit is automatically activated,” said Stanislas Dehaene, a psychologist at the Collège de France in Paris. “There is a core recognition of the gesture in the written word, a sort of recognition by mental simulation in your brain.
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