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Posted By: blackcat Activities/careers for visual-spatial kids - 08/19/14 02:57 PM
I know there is the obvious engineer, architect, artist, etc. but I'm looking for more specifics, as well as other activities for kids with this strength. I signed the kids up for a short Robotics course over the summer and they enjoyed it. Whether it will be a long-term interest, I don't know. They are too young (7 and 8) to pick a career, but I feel like I should at least be introducing them to activities that they enjoy and are good at that may ultimately lead to a career. A kid who has talent in music can say "Sign me up for piano!" but with certain talents it's not obvious.

With my two kids I see different visual strengths. Both LOVE Minecraft, and have been playing since age 3 or 4, but DS7 excels with actually building things. If he decides to build a ship, he whips one together in seconds and it actually looks like a ship. DD8 builds as well but she is not as adept at designing/whipping things together. DS also has an uncanny ability for memorizing maps, and then drawing maps from memory. DD can't do that at all. He has fine motor issues so his drawings look scribbly, but when he's putting in effort and not scribbling, they look very sophisticated. Like he'll draw a train from the front and it actually looks like a train.

DD on the other hand HATES drawing. Where I see her strength is pattern recognition, like matrices. We have a game called "Squares Up" or something which is like a 2D rubics cube and you race each other to solve your own cube. I don't even bother playing it, because before I've even started, she is done with hers, and then attempting to help me with mine. She was able to read upside-down in preschool and she can easily see if a number or letter is backwards even if it's upside-down. DD seems to do better than DS in terms of strategy games, and I can see her possibly doing well with games like chess, but haven't done too much with it yet.

Anyone have ideas in general, or for each specific kid?



Originally Posted by squishys
No suggestions, but I'd love to know what good is a gifted score in matrices, as that is what I received and I'd love to know what that will get me lol.

I don't know, it seems like a useless talent on the surface. That's why I'm hoping it translates into some sort of activity.
Posted By: aeh Re: Activities/careers for visual-spatial kids - 08/19/14 03:39 PM
Matrix reasoning subtests are the task-type most closely associated with overall intelligence--abstract reasoning, fluid reasoning, problem solving, pattern recognition.

So it doesn't have to translate into a specific activity, as it has relevance for all areas of thinking and reasoning. =)
aeh--Ok, I see what you're saying. I just wish I could see an obvious direction to steer DD, or guide her so to speak. She doesn't look "gifted" unless you give her one of these seemingly odd tasks, like a puzzle. I guess I'll just keep introducing her to activities and hopefully one day something will click for her. She doesn't do anything right now except take piano lessons, which she is mildly interested in.
Posted By: rac Re: Activities/careers for visual-spatial kids - 08/19/14 04:18 PM
I'm going to keep track of this thread. Thanks for asking this! My son (almost 5) sounds a lot like a mix of your DS and DD. He did ceiling out on the WPPSI IV in both Matrix Reasoning and the Visual spatial index (the visual spatial one wasn't a surprise, the matrix reasoning was, and like you, I wasn't sure what to make of it). His drawings in preschool at just turned 4 got comments by higher grade teachers that they were better than the ones of some third graders. He was good then, but he is amazing now. His three dimensional representions are spot on, and he also likes to draw maps from memory (walks or drives), as well as the same object from different viewpoints (half a year ago, he drew a train from the top, bottom, and both sides, and then had us glue the drawings together to create a train). I always thought that three dimensional drawing came much much later? He looks at the world with different eyes than we, his parents, do, that's pretty clear. But he also is incredibly good at puzzles and Lego, and yup, he has always been able to read upside down words. Strategy games he is not that good at yet, but perhaps it's still too early to tell. Not that worried about a career, but suggestions for other activities might be useful.
Art of all forms... sculpting, mixed media, computer graphics (try out Sketch-Up from Google.) Electronics kits, Make stuff. If they find a focused area, consider an Etsy store.

Also, music is much closer to visual-spatial and pattern strengths than to verbal.

Look for opportunities to learn design principles in addition to skills.

And, of course, computer programming (search for Scratch and related threads here.)
DS likes any hands-on construction project with a design element. Things I'd like to do with him when he's a bit older:
-Finish a basement
-Build a deck or patio
-Rebuild an old car
-Wire the house with a central control panel for blinds, media, temperature control, etc.
-Design and plant a garden and irrigation system
-Build a computer
-Make various machines/putter with electronics
Posted By: chay Re: Activities/careers for visual-spatial kids - 08/19/14 06:49 PM
By far, DS8's highest score was in the Matrix Reasoning when he was tested at 6.5. I suspect I would be somewhat similar if tested.

Things I liked as a kid -
- lego, lego and more lego
- building models - I particularly remember building a working, see through model of a V8 engine with my dad around age 10
- taking things apart and trying to fix them - my dad could fix anything and everything and he let me help for as long as I can remember. We took apart VCR's, washers, driers, vacuum cleaners, etc.
- art
- piano

Things DS likes
- basically the same as above
- we also do a lot of computer/robot type stuff with him

I took art all of the way through school. Our school was known for it's art program and no one took it for easy credit (I put more work into that one course than anything else). Most people were building their portfolio to attend art college. Of the ones that didn't do art college there were 2 engineers, 1 physics major (he then did architecture) and 1 comp sci. I was one of the engineers.

My job is 99% finding patterns and solving problems. In school I found the ability to be able to picture things and spin them around in my head very useful in the more advanced math and physics classes so I would imagine it might be useful in those types of careers as well. For some types of engineering it would be extremely useful to be able to rotate 3-D images but my field isn't one of them. I was also always good at reading maps and getting places although now that GPS is so easy to access that is a bit less of a perk/skill.

It has also saved me a few bucks on car repairs.....
Thanks for all the ideas, I will look into a lot of them. I think trying something with graphic arts is a good idea. DS has fine motor issues so doesn't play with things like legos the way I had hoped. DD is very good with them, just doesn't seem to have the interest for whatever reason. Maybe it's too much sorting through little pieces trying to find what you need. DS was surprisingly good at with building his robots at robotics camp. I think he was the youngest one there and was able to use tiny little screws and parts. So maybe it will take some work but be ultimately doable.
Anyone have a kid who tests highly visual spatial who *isn't* that into art and/or building things? That's my kid...

What he *is* good at is physical, sporty things, which I've also heard can be a good path for v-s people. In particular, he's good at scooter, bike, parkour, and skateboarding, leaning towards stuff in a skate park-type environment. He's only 5, though, and I think that hinders his abilities at times because he just doesn't have the mass to get things done.
DS's visual spatial ability doesn't seem to translate to his own body and where it is in space. So he could be holding a tray of food that is at a 45 degree angle with everything about to drop on the floor and he doesn't even notice. DD is good with "individual" sports like gymnastics or swimming but doesn't seem to have the processing speed necessary to do well with most sports with balls. So by the time her brain becomes aware that the ball is space X and she needs to do Y, the ball is somewhere else. The exception being maybe golf, where the ball doesn't move til you hit it. It would be interesting to do a study on people who are good athletes and if it correlates to processing speed, visual-spatial ability, etc. and which sports relate to which abilities.
Posted By: chay Re: Activities/careers for visual-spatial kids - 08/22/14 04:15 PM
I posted earlier but after lilmiissunshine's post I'll add sports. Growing up I played everything and anything but eventually gravitated towards mostly team sports. I love seeing and being part of amazing passing plays which perhaps v-s would help with. I still play 2 sports very competitively (one provincially, one nationally) and absolutely love them. Being able to break something athletic down and translate that into movement is key to learning most sports. Of course the translating part doesn't always match the breaking down as blackcat has pointed out.
For your pattern-recognizing DD I'd suggest decoding puzzles.

As for a career path, have her look into working for the government.
Thanks Ametrine, I'll print some out and try them.

I bought a game called Khet at a thrift store and knew I would be hopeless at it. It looks a bit like chess but you take out the other player's pieces with a laser light and mirrors. If the light hits a piece it is taken out. Dh is good at chess and other visual activities just like the kids so I had him play it with DD. Holy smokes, she was barely even looking at the board but was taking out his pieces left and right with almost no thought put into it. It was hilarious watching Dh actually studying the board while DD was spinning around, chatting with me, etc, then DD taking out his pieces after she looked at the board for 3 seconds. All Dh would say is "she was better than I thought she would be." smile I haven't tried it with DS--I'm not sure he's good enough with planning/strategy and it looked like it might be frustrating for him. Just thought I'd put that out there for other visual kids who might like it.
DD loves Khet, but rapidly ran out of takers. blush

I think I've mentioned this before, blackcat, but check out Ricochet Robots for your DD, too. If she's good at Khet I bet she'll be good at this, too.
We actually had that game a couple years ago (another thrift store find!) and I think I got rid of it since I found it frustrating. Either that or it's stashed in a box in the basement. I'll have to look around.
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