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Posted By: josiejo Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 04:09 PM
Did anyone else see this recent blog post?
scientific american http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...sorder-hyperlexia-and-einstein-syndrome/

Type 3 describes my DS very well. I'd be interested in others' thoughts.
Posted By: amylou Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 04:45 PM
Thanks so much for sharing this. My dd is now 13.5yo, and hyperlexia was a consideration when she was younger. She had an intense interest in reading from a very early age and had it mastered by about 25 months old. She also had some personality quirks which could make one wonder about autism. We had one friend who tried to stage an intervention to make us get dd evaluated for autism when she was 2yo. We didn't agree, and since our pediatrician sided with us, we blew off the friend (Awkward!!). But we were told back then that hyperlexia=autism so I am so glad to see they are now distinguishing different types of hyperlexia, some without autism, because "hyperlexic" is a great description of my book-obsessed dd when she was 2yo.

Dd now has a lovely, outgoing personality and no one tells us she's autistic any more. She is still an obsessive and lightening fast reader - books are a complete joy in her life (except when asked to analyze one to death by an English teacher). I am sooo glad we never let anyone try to diagnose her love of books as a disorder....
Posted By: maisey Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 05:08 PM
Hi. This is only my second post. I have been dealing with this for 2+ year. You can go read my first post to get an idea of my 5 year old. One month ago my son had the VB - map from a very good BCBA. I needed help in the area of avoidance issues when age appropriate demands were being placed upon him. He showed reading and comprehension at the middle of 3rd.grade levels. I ended up only needing 25 hours of VB to address avoidance issues to help him when he goes to mainstream kindy. This is a child who the school district tried to place in a self contained class of only 5 nonverbal autistic children. 2 years later the talk is all about how to keep him challenged in K and gifted testing once settled into school year.
Posted By: josiejo Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 05:54 PM
Thanks for the responses - I had never heard the term until I read the blog last week. When my son (now 10) was 4 our pediatrician suggested we make an appt with a psychologist. The psychologist didn't diagnose anything specifically, for which I'm thankful since most of the behavioral/social challenges resolved themselves. But. I know that ASD had been suspected and it has continued to be hinted at by some who know him. He read early (2.5 - 3) and with good comprehension (probably at about a 3rd grade level by kindergarten, though he wasn't really interested in the stories (fiction) that were written for his reading level - they were all about social dynamics of mid-elementary school. He was much happier with nonfiction until he was about 7 or 8 yrs old. He's still not the most socially adept kid in the world and likely will never be, but he has friends now and likes to be around other kids. It just took him until about first or second grade for his desire fror friends to kick in.
I do wonder how many early readers who are "just" very gifted kids and who have some degree of social awkwardness (especially as little kids because they just aren't interested in what their same-age peers are interested in) are being diagnosed (erroneously) as on the spectrum. I know there are certainly early readers who have other issues that legitamately place them on the spectrum, but there was a siginficant amount of worry generated for us.
Posted By: HowlerKarma Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 07:23 PM
Yes, us as well-- though anyone who observed DD when she wasn't nervous immediately discarded the notion within seconds.

It was just so clear that she was NOT on the spectrum, in spite of many, many, MANY little indicators in common. She had astonishing sensory sensitivity, toe-walked VERY late, didn't speak much until she was about 3 (and even then not much in front of adult strangers), had immersive/obsessive interests, was 'stubborn' and potentially sensory-seeking with her resistance to discipine, etc.

She had reading-readiness indicators at a really early age-- probably about 18 months? But she wasn't autodidactic, so it didn't happen until we specifically explained how to decode when she was about 4.5 or so. Still, I'd categorically call her hyperlexic given how fast she took off and never looked back-- and given her apparent obsession with literature of all kinds. We (truly) have had to the put the brakes on her reading so that she will attend to her other basic needs. Many times, in fact.



Posted By: DeeDee Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 07:24 PM
According to our family's professionals, a true hyperlexic doesn't comprehend-- they process text almost compulsively, and have a great sense of symbol-to-sound, but can't tell you what the meaning is. This should distinguish an early (or very early) reader from a hyperlexic.

It is also possible to be a very early, gifted reader (=not hyperlexic) and yet autistic (there's one in my family).

The types given in that blog post seems loose to me, and more motivated by "exonerating" possible autistics from the diagnosis than by state of the art diagnostic practices.

Our family's experience is to beware of people saying "he can't be autistic, he's just gifted," because that statement often masks real and treatable issues.

YMMV,
DeeDee
Posted By: polarbear Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by DeeDee
According to our family's professionals, a true hyperlexic doesn't comprehend-- they process text almost compulsively, and have a great sense of symbol-to-sound, but can't tell you what the meaning is. This should distinguish an early (or very early) reader from a hyperlexic.

That's my understanding of the true definition of hyperlexic too - and ita with the remainder of DeeDee's post too smile

polarbear
Posted By: HowlerKarma Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 08:35 PM
Ahhhh-- I did not know that. Thanks, DeeDee; I just learned something that had always puzzled me.
Posted By: rhp Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 08:41 PM
Our son was reading early in his second year and sounds exactly like the "hyperlexia III" in this article - including being very affectionate and attention-seeking. But he also scores well into the autism range on multiple autism diagnostic assessments, with two different diagnostic teams saying he has "clear," though not severe, autism.

Needless to say, during the diagnostic process we took a lot of interest in the academic paper that Dr. Treffert wrote, which his blog post summarizes.

Here are some of my current thoughts.

First, the "true" meaning of Dr. Treffert's article may have to do with competing ideas around the definition of autism itself. Recent research seems to support the idea that the "autism spectrum" is really a human spectrum which shades into average with no bright line (that is, the distribution of "autistic traits" is not bimodal). There was also a recent study of "optimal outcome" - that some children with autistic traits don't turn out to be meaningfully disabled when they are older.

Autism appears to be more like IQ, which comes in degrees, than it is like a syndrome that one has or does not have.

Dr. Treffert's article seems to imply that autism is more of a bright-line thing, rather than a set of normally-distributed dimensional traits. He seems to interpret "optimal outcome" as "never really had autism" rather than "coped well with autism."

But not all experts - or even the majority - seem to accept this premise. I don't think the two highly-qualified diagnostic teams who assessed our son necessarily knew what he meant when he suggested getting experts to distinguish autistic-like from autistic. Their approach was more that if it quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

Based on the paper, when he says kids turned out to be fine, there's no real way to tell whether they turned out to be completely typical on autistic traits (distributed around the 50th percentile) or whether they just moved from the 99th percentile (which is about where these traits become diagnosable as autism) to say the 97th percentile.

If you think of autism as a normally distributed trait, then a child might move from 99th percentile (diagnosable) to 97th (still a little different, but not meeting diagnostic criteria) over time. Does this mean they never had autism in any sense? Does it mean autism-related information and interventions no longer apply in any way?

In the paper this scientific american post is based on, Dr. Treffert actually says that the hyperlexia III kids should receive the same kind of help as kids with autism, while waiting to see if the autism-like troubles go away. So his distinction between kinds of hyperlexia doesn't seem actionable, for now. It doesn't change what he suggests one do with a preschooler who has autistic traits.

I also discovered a number of experts calling it a "myth" that autistic children cannot be affectionate... while Dr. Treffert suggests that affectionate tendencies may be the way to distinguish hyperlexia II and III (autism vs. not). Again, the paper seems to relate to a different take on the definition of autism itself.

The statistical power of a study of "hyperlexia III" would be much stronger if it looked at dimensional measures rather than simply autism-or-not-autism. Though this anecdote-and-case-study-based paper is interesting, it is really only a hint at a study worth doing, not a study in itself. A full study should measure autistic traits dimensionally at say age of diagnosis and then some years later.

One also has to remember that intelligence, and early reading, are powerful coping tools for an autistic person. In the words of Hans Asperger, "Normal children acquire the necessary social habits without being consciously aware of them, they learn instinctively. It is these instinctive relations that are disturbed in autistic children. Social adaptation has to proceed via the intellect."

When relying on the intellect, the power of the intellect matters. An autistic child who is able to read has a huge leg up, because they can communicate and acquire knowledge despite likely difficulty with verbal language.

Writing is a much more autism-friendly language format than conversation and gives an autistic child an accommodating way to learn language - we've seen this with our son. A smart, early-reading child with the same degree of autism as an average-IQ non-reading child may have far fewer visible problems.

(To be clear, this is just my speculation, but I have read at least some research that traits such as affectionateness and learning to read improve prognosis and also improve responsiveness to intervention.)

The effective severity of autism - degree of disability - has a lot to do with traits other than autism itself. Intelligence or other compensating strengths, for example.

When I was a child I was also an early reader (age 2), just like my son, and I am a perfectly happy and successful adult who would never claim disability. However, I have to admit that I have never really had close friends and struggled in my youth because of it, and that reading about autism (of the HFA/Aspie variety) is like reading about my own childhood. Moreover on assessments such as Simon Baron-Cohen's (systemizing, reading the mind in the eyes, cognitive empathy) I score at the "HFA adult" average. So there are measurable autistic traits here, quite possibly diagnosable, but I'm also just fine. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

I think it's possible for a kid to be just fine in all important senses, but still need some extra help paying attention to and relating to peers. Autism is not a yes-or-no question where kids are either badly disabled or not.

Even a person with almost-autism (say 95th percentile on autistic-like traits) could probably stand some extra tutoring in the area of peer interaction, just as a kid on the 95th percentile of trouble with reading could probably use some extra tutoring on reading.

Did I turn out fine without a diagnosis of autism? Sure. Would I have benefited from some of the extra help our son is getting? I really think so, that's why we're getting it for him.

For purposes of qualifying for accommodations or disability payments, society wants to put people in the "broken" or "not broken" buckets, and some professionals may still want to define autism as "disabled enough to fail at daily living."

But for purposes of understanding ourselves and our children, and for research purposes, it's much more useful to recognize shades of gray - and that understanding of autistic traits may tell us useful things, even when they are not disabling.

"Twice exceptional" people - autism paired with visual, analytical, or verbal talents - may in fact have a kind of superpower. Their other talents can compensate for the autism, while the autism gives them advantages such as intense focus and independent thinking.

If we realize that autism is dimensional, then we won't think it's such a big deal what side of the diagnostic line they are on. Think about IQ; nothing magic happens when go from 71 IQ to 69, or 129 IQ to 131. There's not a bright line there.

Anyway. I think the best way to understand Dr. Treffert's post is to think of the three types of hyperlexia as points on a spectrum. I'm sure you can find people who fall everywhere in between those points.

Sorry for a long post, I have just put a lot of thought into Dr. Treffert's paper.
Posted By: 22B Re: Hyperlexia - 07/17/13 08:55 PM
This definitely fits our DS7. He taught himself to read by age 2.75, but had virtually no speech until age 3.5, when he blossomed into full sentences. His behavior was highly `atypical'. For a while we were taking a fair bit of heat from pediatricians, and anyone else with an opinion, to submit him for Autism evaluation.

We refused.

We did a lot of reading, and knew about Hyperlexia (which didn't seem to fit because he seemed to comprehend) and Einstein Syndrome (which fit perfectly).

We were warned that if you miss the window for early treatment, you could have permanently missed the opportunity the `treat' some aspects of your child's `autism'. But we had the opposite fear, that if we submitted him for evaluation, (mis)diagnosis, and `treatment', our son could be damaged by the trauma of being subjected to intense but unneeded `treatment', as well as the stigma and prejudice from the (mis)diagnosis, and a label that could never be removed.

Once he was talking fluently, the suspicions of `autism' faded away. His behavior was still pretty wild (though he's mellowed now). He is thoughtful and empathic, though socially awkward. He is exceptionally good at mathematics, though not an avid reader, preferring non-fiction to fiction.

It is late talking, rather than early reading, that really bring on suspicions of `autism'. But DSM-5 no longer has delayed speech as an indicator of Autism, so maybe delayed speech won't trigger such suspicions so much in the future.

Posted By: Lori H. Re: Hyperlexia - 07/18/13 04:28 PM
It certainly doesn't surprise me that kids could be misdiagnosed with autism.
Type 3 sounds like my son when he was younger except there was no resistance to change. He always liked change and he seemed precocious in a lot of areas because he was so interested in everything.

He was recognizing words at two and read his first easy reader book that he hadn't seen before at 2 1/2 and was able to spell words and identify words that were spelled out for him. He hadn't been taught to read except I always put my finger underneath the words as I read to him. He always seemed to be able to comprehend whatever he was reading without a problem. If he didn't understand something he read he would certainly ask about it. He could memorize scripts and song lyrics so quickly that a teenager in the class told me that he must be autistic or something to be able to do that. He also had a lot of excess energy when he was excited about something and would kind of flap his arms like he was shaking out the excess energy and in fact that is how he described it. It was because of the stimming and talking like an adult that my sister thought he might have Aspergers even though doctors said he didn't. He stopped doing that in public when he got older and started pointing out every time I would do any kind of stimming behavior like tapping on the steering wheel when I drive in traffic or tapping a foot when nervous about something. As far as I know, I am not autistic, but I wonder if I would have been diagnosed with autism in elementary school. l did not talk to anyone outside of my family when I was in elementary school, hid in my long hair, didn't like to make eye contact, and read a lot. I outgrew a lot of my differences without any kind of therapy.

My son is now 15 and even though I don't limit video games, he reads more than he plays games and he reads about a lot of different things. His interests are definitely not limited. He wants to talk to me about what he has been reading and get my opinion and is more than happy to tell me all about it and help me form an opinion if I haven't read or thought about whatever he is talking about especially in the middle of the night when he can't sleep because of pain issues.
Posted By: Mana Re: Hyperlexia - 07/19/13 01:13 AM
rhp, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Your post gave me a lot to reflect upon.
Posted By: josiejo Re: Hyperlexia - 07/30/13 02:56 PM
rhp! thanks so much for your thoughtful reply
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Hyperlexia - 07/30/13 03:41 PM
DS6 was reading sight words by 18 months and reading books (like the Mr Men series) by 2.5 years, although he understood what he read. He was a late talker, as in multiple word sentence speaker, but he could type sentences from two. I worried a little about him until he was two, when he gave me a hug; he didn't request affection, but happily received it. Other than that, I didn't see any traits in him that had me worried.

I would put him in the categories of hyperlexia II (minus any ASD traits) and also Einstein syndrome. Although he hasn't lost those "savant-like" skills.
Posted By: ultramarina Re: Hyperlexia - 07/30/13 03:59 PM
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I think it's possible for a kid to be just fine in all important senses, but still need some extra help paying attention to and relating to peers. Autism is not a yes-or-no question where kids are either badly disabled or not.

Even a person with almost-autism (say 95th percentile on autistic-like traits) could probably stand some extra tutoring in the area of peer interaction, just as a kid on the 95th percentile of trouble with reading could probably use some extra tutoring on reading.

Did I turn out fine without a diagnosis of autism? Sure. Would I have benefited from some of the extra help our son is getting? I really think so, that's why we're getting it for him.

For purposes of qualifying for accommodations or disability payments, society wants to put people in the "broken" or "not broken" buckets, and some professionals may still want to define autism as "disabled enough to fail at daily living."

But for purposes of understanding ourselves and our children, and for research purposes, it's much more useful to recognize shades of gray - and that understanding of autistic traits may tell us useful things, even when they are not disabling.

Great post, and I really agree with all of this. My DD9 is a pretty fascinating case study. While not hyperlexic (she didn't read till almost 5, though she became a very good reader right away), she possessed many highly unusual memory skills, was somewhat echolalic, and had some other autism red flags, but many other things about her do not "read" ASD at all. At age 9, she is very socially sought-after but I still see some behavior that reads as "stimming" to me (others do not see it--it's subtle) and there is still a high degree of extreme emotionality and some other traits that suggest ASD. Yet she really is a highly questionable DX and the older she gets, the more we think this would be wrong. However, there are some things she continues to need help with and I do think there are parts of her brain that are "wired" ASD. (For instance, her eye contact is totally normal EXCEPT when she is very upset or in big trouble--at these moments, she has trouble with it and prefers to fidget with something and not look at us. She says this allows her to listen and that if she looks at us, she "can't think." Otherwise, we never notice eye contact problems. This is a perfect example of her "gray area" stuff.)She has sensory quirks for sure. BTW, though, she was a very EARLY talker, speaking in full paragraphs at 18 months, but with strange syntax and pronouns all reversed.
Posted By: Dbat Re: Hyperlexia - 07/30/13 08:28 PM
Thanks for this post, and thanks also to rhp for the very thoughtful comments. I think DD also fits the Hyperlexia III profile (although I had never heard of the type I), and I think I do/did too. It is really nice to hear this kind of thing, because sometimes people (especially around here, it seems) focus only on the autistic-type symptoms and use that to write DD off (e.g., kick her out of school, etc.). Whereas when I was a kid I think there was a much wider range of behaviors that were considered 'weird,' but were more or less tolerated at least as far as grownups were concerned. I keep thinking we live in an area that is really backwards in this regard so it is good to have articles and other resources that discuss it so in case anybody is open to discussion, I can show them that it's not just me making it up smile
Posted By: Zen Scanner Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 01:06 AM
Originally Posted by ultramarina
(For instance, her eye contact is totally normal EXCEPT when she is very upset or in big trouble--at these moments, she has trouble with it and prefers to fidget with something and not look at us. She says this allows her to listen and that if she looks at us, she "can't think." Otherwise, we never notice eye contact problems. This is a perfect example of her "gray area" stuff.)

Funny thing, that is pretty close to normal behavior, other than the introspective awareness of why. If anything it sounds more towards a hyper-empathic place.
Posted By: Mk13 Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 04:43 AM
DS3.4 is one of those very early readers (would fit most Hyperlexia III but he understands what he reads) and very delayed speech. He received Autism diagnosis before he turned 3 (after a very quick eval). If he was a child who wasn't a late talker, he would be simply an early reader with severe sensory processing disorder. But because of the speech delay, everyone immediately jumps to Autism with splinter skills. Except ... he does NOT have splinter skills. He's too good in too many areas to have these be splinter skills. And he's one of those kids for whom therapy turns out to be a complete disaster. He now gets a total of 90 minutes therapy spent with DS4.11 to work on sensory problems but that's about it and I couldn't be happier with that set up. And if the school tells me one more time to put him in special ed preschool or self contained classroom, I will completely lose it.

Is he really autistic? We don't know. We have another evaluation set up for about 6 months from now through a different place than last time and until then (and even after the evaluation) our plan is to simply follow DS's lead. He can't stand anyone teaching him or repeating things to him. He self-taught himself to read and now he's using that knowledge to teach himself to speak. And he doesn't want anyone messing with his system smile
Posted By: Mk13 Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by Zen Scanner
Originally Posted by ultramarina
(For instance, her eye contact is totally normal EXCEPT when she is very upset or in big trouble--at these moments, she has trouble with it and prefers to fidget with something and not look at us. She says this allows her to listen and that if she looks at us, she "can't think." Otherwise, we never notice eye contact problems. This is a perfect example of her "gray area" stuff.)

Funny thing, that is pretty close to normal behavior, other than the introspective awareness of why. If anything it sounds more towards a hyper-empathic place.

DS4.11 looks at us when he's talking to us and explaining things to us but he has ZERO ability to look at me (or anyone else) when we are talking to him. His eyes are all over the place or on the floor and he tells me he can't listen if he's looking at me.
Posted By: ultramarina Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 12:39 PM
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Funny thing, that is pretty close to normal behavior, other than the introspective awareness of why. If anything it sounds more towards a hyper-empathic place.

I think it wouldn't read normal to you if you were in our shoes. It feels quite maddening because she absolutely will not look at us in these situations and instead appears focused on a toy she is fiddling with, an edge of a rug, etc. It "feels" like she is not listening. But in fact she is. At this point, we have let it go--but I do feel concerned about how this behavior looks to teachers and other outsiders.

We never ever notice anything unusual about eye contact at other times. When SHE talks to US at times of high emotion, she makes eye contact. This problem only comes out when WE are talking to HER at times of high emotion.

What you say about hyper-emapthic is, in fact, not totally at odds with some new thinking about ASDs, Some say that rather than not "feeling anthing" socially, some people with ASD are just feeling too much, or experiencing feelings of overwhelming social input. If DD is ASD-ish, I would definitely place her in this category. She is highly sensitive and in fact way reads too much into tiny voice modulations, etc.
Posted By: ultramarina Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 12:40 PM
* double post
Posted By: Zen Scanner Re: Hyperlexia - 07/31/13 01:35 PM
I've always thought it a bit of a truism that kids and often adults avoid eye contact when guilty or in a high emotional state. My personal experience is in the hyper range of things. I tend to look away from someone in a heavy emotional state for fear of being overwhelmed by it. Conversely I'd worry about projecting my own emotions onto someone else and not look at them.

Looking at what Temple Grandin describes, it is a completely different experience between her picking up patchwork details and my being overwhelmed by saturated holistic information. If they lead to the same diagnosis, the problem is the diagnosis in the same way it is with how hyperlexia was broken out above.
Posted By: blackcat Re: Hyperlexia - 09/19/13 03:15 AM
My DS seems to be the classic "type 3" in that article, with Einstein Syndrome as well (although he is dyspraxic, so that could explain his delayed speech development).

He's never had a fascination with books or letters, but started reading early. One day I printed out a list of sight words from K-third grade and was shocked that he could read almost all of them, despite never being taught them. He was reading well at 4 and in kindergarten reading chapter books, despite hardly ever reading or practicing at home. It was like he magically absorbed the reading process.

I would love to know what the IQ profile is of such kids. DS is high on non-verbal ability (140's), and he was recently given a visual perception test and got a perfect score on visual memory and visual spatial ability. The test was meant for adults as well as kids and he still got perfect scores in those categories. I wonder if the hyperlexia is related to seeing patterns in phonics, or memorizing whole words, or what.

We have been worried abut autism since he was a toddler. He had lots of words but wasn't putting them together in phrases til 2.5. He didn't point to anything til 18 months. Then he started a phase where he meowed like a cat more than talked. He ran around on his toes and flapped his arms. His voice has always had an odd pitch/prosody. Now I know these things can be related to his dyspraxia, and there is an overlap between ASD symptoms and dyspraxia symptoms. As he is getting older (now 6) we have been seeing less and less of the autistic-like features and he is getting a lot more social and outgoing.
Posted By: puffin Re: Hyperlexia - 09/19/13 08:55 AM
To me it seems entirely reasonable not to look at someone who is angry or upset with you - a kind of self defence. But it is oh so annoying when ds6 does it. I think he is just trying to tune me out though.

I agree with the poster who said that there was more acceptance of wierdness in the past - people were mean at times but they didn't assume medical intervention was required if someone was a bit different.
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