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Posted By: Ultralight Hiker Cambridge MA public schools - 07/27/14 02:07 PM
Does anyone have any info on or experience with the Cambridge (or Somerville) Public schools at the elementary level? Can they accommodate HG kids? Are they flexible?

We are hoping to avoid the suburbs and private school is not an option.

Thanks!
Ul.H
Posted By: Bostonian Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/27/14 03:58 PM
We live in a Boston suburb, where our three children attend public school. Sorry, but what little I have heard about Cambridge public schools has not been favorable. It's my impression that many parents who work in Cambridge but have the means to send their children elsewhere often do so, either by sending their children to private school or buying a home elsewhere. Within Boston, Brookline has a good reputation.

If you joined the MA Gifted mailing list https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MAGifted/info and asked your question there, you would probably get some replies.
Posted By: 75west Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/27/14 04:08 PM
There is school choice in Cambridge, but I have a relative who works at Harvard and moved from Cambridge to Concord due to the schools. So my guess is that it's very limited with what Cambridge (or Somerville) public schools can offer at the elementary grades. There's a number of families who either send their gifted kids to private school or un/homeschool them or move out to the suburbs (ie. Lexington or Concord) as a result.

Cambridge Rindge and Latin may be an option for high school, but not sure what you do until then. There is a new Sudbury Valley type of school in Cambridge that recently opened, but no idea on the cost or other pertinent details (and can't remember the name at the moment either, grrr...). Sudbury Valley is located in Framingham and is probably too much of a hike for you.

Private schools in MA can be expensive and don't/won't necessarily accommodate hg/pg crowd based on my experience. Acera School now in Winchester (http://aceraschool.org/) and The Birches in Lincoln (http://www.birchesschool.org/) are newish and there's no guarantee that they'll work for you and your child.
Posted By: Bostonian Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/27/14 04:34 PM
The recent Boston suburbs? thread may be of interest.
Posted By: Ultralight Hiker Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/28/14 01:15 PM
Thanks all. I feel the unfortunate pull out to the suburbs. It's interesting that few people have 1st hand experience with the Cambridge Public Schools. There must be quite a few bright kids given the location.

Acera School sounds great -- does anyone have any experience with it?
Posted By: Bostonian Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/28/14 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Ultralight Hiker
Thanks all. I feel the unfortunate pull out to the suburbs. It's interesting that few people have 1st hand experience with the Cambridge Public Schools. There must be quite a few bright kids given the location.

Acera School sounds great -- does anyone have any experience with it?
My children don't go Acera, but I have mentioned it on this board, so sometime people ask me about it in private messages. I asked a colleague (very bright as is her husband) who has sent her son to the school for a few years if he will be continuing this coming academic year, and she replied as follows:

"Yes we are. We continue to be impressed and pleased that the school has accommodated his learning curve beautifully. He gets the academics he needs during the school day, so we don't have to supplement after school and he can just be a kid at home. He also has a good social circle with other kids who share his interests and intensity.

We like it well enough that my daughter will also attend next year."

Of course, that's a sample size of one, and there have been parents who tried it and then left.
Posted By: 75west Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/29/14 01:18 AM
About 3 years ago, I spoke with the founder/co-director for my 2e/pg son (who was then 5.5-yrs-old). I told her what happened to ds at gifted school #1 north of Boston.

At that time, we were debating what to do and considering sending ds to Acera or gifted school #2 north of Boston. The founder/co-director didn't quite grasp why ds's school wouldn't/couldn't accommodate him. I asked her about the math curriculum and some other details; I wasn't very happy with her answers or responses to my questions. She told me that they use Singapore. At the time, the school was only a year or two old; at the time I believed that we needed a teacher/school with more experience.

I'm not saying that Acera is a 'bad' school or choice. I'm saying that it can be difficult to know ahead of time whether Acera or any of these gifted schools or suburbs can be a good fit for a hg/pg child. There's a lot of variables with schools (teachers, curriculum, other students, ability to accelerate or self-pace, and on and on) - much not within a child's or parent's control. It's hard to know how your child will respond/react until they are placed in that setting/environment.
Posted By: mithawk Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/29/14 02:24 AM
They are suburbs and about 30 minutes outside of Boston, but you should consider Lexington and Weston. Both school systems are excellent at the high school level, and likely quite good at the elementary level. Both towns are pricey though, with Lexington being the better value of the two.

Closer to Boston, possibly cheaper, but subjectively a notch below those two school systems is Belmont.

There are lots of bright people in Cambridge. However, many of its professors live in towns like Lexington and Newton.
Posted By: Bostonian Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/29/14 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by mithawk
They are suburbs and about 30 minutes outside of Boston, but you should consider Lexington and Weston.
The following statement from the Weston high school math department turns me off. It basically says that the only way to learn math is through their courses, which is rubbish -- but which protects their turf.

http://www.westonschools.org/index.cfm?pid=12416

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The mathematics department recommends that students take alternate mathematics courses (summer school, on-line, or after-school mathematics courses) only if they have done poorly in the corresponding academic year course or desire such a course for enrichment. When encountering specific mathematics courses for the first time, students should not substitute such alternate courses for regular academic year courses in their mathematics programs. In general only academic year courses provide the time and group interaction necessary to develop an appropriate understanding of the concepts involved. Students will generally not be permitted to skip courses by taking alternate courses and students who take alternate courses prior to the academic year course should do so with the understanding that they will encounter some repetition of material in their academic year course. For further information about this policy, contact the department chair.
Posted By: GF2 Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 07/29/14 02:56 PM
Harvard faculty typically don't use the Cambridge public schools. That's anecdotal based on acquaintance with 10+ faculty members. Those who live in Cambridge go private, but the faculty are increasingly priced out of Cambridge itself.

We have personal experience with Brookline and Newton. Newton uses Everyday Math (or did 5 years ago). Ugh. Brookline has wonderful educated teachers but has no programmatic accommodation for gifted. Individual teachers may be wonderful about a gifted kid. Or not. We had both.

The Weston snippet, I suspect, is aimed at the many, many parents who use Russian math (it's a freestanding after-school program with actual tests! gasp! and rankings of the kids! double gasp!) to supplement the school-based math, which is increasingly aimed at the 25th percentile so that they can pass the MCAS. Gifted and advanced kids receive no in-school acceleration in math (our experience in Brookline and Newton), and so parents send kids to Russian math. The context is that long division (long division!) is considered very challenging (!!!) for fourth graders in the schools. Sigh. There's a large educated population in both towns, and many STEM people, including from the former Soviet Union, so there's also a large population dissatisfied with the low level of math in the schools and open to the Russian math approach. So what happens is you have kids, say, 10 and doing pre-Algebra or Algebra via Russian math, and the schools make them sit in grade-level classes.
Posted By: trio Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 01/20/16 08:26 PM
Hmm. I am scrolling back through these old threads and finding some gaps in information. This is too late for the original poster, but hopefully helpful and informative for anyone looking for this information in future.

Cambridge has a very diverse set of public elementary schools (project oriented, Mandarin, Spanish immersion, Portuguese immersion, Montessori, technology focused, neighborhood) Each school has its own particular focus and flavor so it is hard to generalize across all the elementary schools. Take a look at the CPSD web site and perhaps join this CPS mailing list for information specific to each school.

The elementary schools are generally well regarded and it is very competitive to get into certain schools, partially for geographic reasons. Schools are assigned by “controlled choice” - a fairly complex points + lottery system - most people seem to shake out into schools they are happy with. Also, Cambridge has a relatively fluid population due to the large number of people coming to/from Boston for work and a fairly high number of families moving out to the suburbs for more affordable housing. This means that transferring to your desired school is not that difficult as long as you are willing to waitlist.

The middle schools (Gr 6 - 8) do not generally have a good reputation and many people who can afford to do so do go private for these years. This is probably where other posters get the idea that Cambridge schools are not good. There is a long story behind the middle school problem, but essentially a not so successful transformation some years ago is being rethought.

The high school has an excellent reputation and most residents who go private for middle school return to CRLS for high school. There are also many people who live in highly rated school suburbs who want to move to Cambridge for high school.

Here is some information on enrollment numbers (copied from a recent post on the CPS mailing list):
  • 2013-2014 - 395 8th graders —> 2014-15 499 9th graders => 104 new 9th graders
  • 2012-13 - 357 8th graders —> 2013-14 => 451 9th graders.
So about a hundred 9th graders return to or move to Cambridge for high school.

Cambridge is a wealthy city [with low property taxes for owner-occupied residences] that spends more than average in Massachusetts per student (~$26,000 vs. ~$13,000). There is inevitable grumbling about how this money is spent, but the schools I have seen appear to be well-resourced and specialists are available and very visible within the schools. We certainly feel that we get our money’s worth.

The CPS student body is very diverse, ethnically, socioeconomically, academically and on other measures (crunchy granola tree huggers rub shoulders with everything Disney; no screen time families sit alongside hard core coders; parents may be academics, refugees, artists, entrepreneurs, professionals, authors, engineers, civic or not-for profit employees/volunteers, or something else entirely). The percentage of g/t students in public schools is about 7%; the frequency of 2e and special needs students also seems fairly high. Definitely not a typical distribution.

Originally Posted by Bostonian
Sorry, but what little I have heard about Cambridge public schools has not been favorable. It's my impression that many parents who work in Cambridge but have the means to send their children elsewhere often do so, either by sending their children to private school or buying a home elsewhere.

Originally Posted by GF2
Harvard faculty typically don't use the Cambridge public schools. That's anecdotal based on acquaintance with 10+ faculty members. Those who live in Cambridge go private, but the faculty are increasingly priced out of Cambridge itself.

Addressing Bostonian and GF2's comments: many people who work in Cambridge cannot afford to live in Cambridge. Housing prices in Cambridge are sky high (average over $600/square foot, low stock of 3+ bed homes, most go over the asking price and even at these prices many require significant renovation). Hence a lot of families move out of the city once they outgrow their two bedroom condo or are squeezed out by rising rents. On our street there are a dozen Harvard professors with good-sized family homes, but most have lived here for 20+ years and their children have moved away. Younger Harvard/MIT faculty are thinner on the ground in Cambridge due to housing costs but are certainly well-represented among public school parents. I'd be curious to know if GF2's sample completely avoided Cambridge public schools while continuing to live in Cambridge or simply stepped out of the system for middle school.

A very small minority of our neighborhood friends (i.e. people we have known since taking our babies to the playground) have chosen private elementary schools over public schools and these choices are usually made for philosophical rather than quality reasons. i.e. they want their children to have a very specific type of educational experience which is not available in any public system, or they want to cocoon their children. Most of the "good school" suburbs are natural cocoons wink Despite that I do not know anyone who has willingly moved to the suburbs “because of schools”. Families tend to make the agonizing decision to move to the suburbs because of housing prices, and then select the suburbs with good school systems. When we were preparing to move we looked at a lot of suburbs. While many may have school systems that would work for above average to moderately gifted children we did not see anything that looked like a good fit for a EG or PG child. Adding to that, the suburban school culture can be competitive and unpleasant. A friend who worked in one of the reputedly best suburban school systems and whose HG children had been through the system advised that those schools were not welcoming to or a good fit for exceptional children.

Although Massachusetts does not have any state support for gifted education, Cambridge does provide support via the Office of Student Services (which also supports special education). There is a relatively new role the Academic Challenge and Enrichment (ACE) Manager (more information here - this site is hard to find if you don't know what you are looking for), and a parent community, CALA. Support for gifted students is evolving, but currently happens on a case by case basis and is parent driven. This is definitely not a standardized system-driven process of elementary level identification and enrichment: from talking with other parents it varies from school to school and according to parent advocacy. There is a move to change this, but this is still in the early stages of formulation and will take time. In middle school there is a pathway for accelerated math, and in high school there are AP classes and the opportunity to co-enroll in Harvard Extension School courses. See CRLS Enrichment.

Our experience has been that the OSS is positive and supportive but does not have many pre-existing policies and frameworks for acceleration in elementary school. So advocating is necessary and it is helpful to be actively engaged with the process. One district level guideline is that children can be considered for subject acceleration if they are 2+ grades ahead of classmates. If you are in this situation it is helpful to engage with the ACE manager. Unfortunately families tend to be fairly closeted and guarded about gifted education (in my experience in the Greater Boston area), so sharing information is not always easy. We are working to change this in Cambridge. My impression from other parents and the ACE manager is that a number of children are subject-accelerated but few are grade accelerated. Our family has had a very positive experience thus far.

With the caveat that I do not have firsthand experience of Somerville schools, unfortunately Somerville schools do not have the same resources and reputation as Cambridge. We do know many people who moved away from Somerville for schools, or who put their children in private/Catholic school. I would be surprised if Somerville had much g/t support. It might be worth looking at Arlington since it has reputedly good schools, is budget friendly relative to Cambridge/Somerville, and has a better reputation for diversity and less of a tiger parent reputation than Lexington or Winchester. Lots of youngish professionals and academics move to Arlington.

Other than Cambridge, if we had a large budget, commitment to public school and no commuting constraints I would investigate Brookline. If I were homeschooling I might choose a conveniently located town with relatively low property taxes. I am really happy that we are in Cambridge.

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Editing to add:

Here's the Schools at a Glance brochure, which gives a good flavor of the schools.

Also, after my post above, I saw some parents from the High School + the ACE manager. They told me that the high school runs on a block schedule (like college) and seniors and freshmen often attend the same classes. College prep, Honors and (~20) AP classes are offered, and a student who has exhausted the high school offerings can attend Harvard Extension School. Parents say that there is essentially no ceiling. For example, the high school has a four math courses requirement so many advanced students end up fulfilling this requirement by taking classes at Harvard Extension School. The high school is also adding computer science classes that count toward the math requirement. One parent I spoke to had come to Harvard for a year long fellowship and brought their 14 year old gifted child along, leaving their spouse and older child in their home country. They were so impressed with the high school that they decided to stay in Cambridge for their child to complete high school here, with the other parent flying back and forth every other month. (This is a family that would have access to the very best schools in their home country.) So that's a vote of confidence, and reassures me that my children won't run out of interesting and challenging classes while in high school.
Posted By: trio Re: Cambridge MA public schools - 01/20/16 08:28 PM
Incidentally, Ultralight Hiker, if you are still around I'd be interested to know where you landed and what your experience has been.
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