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Posted By: Cathy A Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 06:04 PM
Here's what happened. My DD is in third grade. Her teacher went on maternity leave and DD's class has a long-term sub. Then, the long-term sub had a family emergency and asked a retired teacher friend of hers (Mrs. H) to sub for her. On her first day there, I talked to Mrs. H after school about the weekly mathlab that I run. She seemed very elderly and like she had almost no short-term memory. For instance, I told her that Mathlab was on Thursday and 10 seconds later she was saying it was on Tuesday. This was not the only example of her lapses during our conversation.

The next morning, I talked to the principal privately and told her that I didn't think Mrs. H was up to administering the test and why. She seemed to take me very seriously. So I was surprised when, a week later (yesterday), Mrs. H was there administering the CAT/6. I thought that the principal had checked her out and decided it would be ok.

That afternoon I picked DD up from school and she told me that she was really frustrated because Mrs. H wouldn't listen to her. Apparently, DD noticed that the wrong name was on her test booklet and in fact on everyone's test booklet. Mrs. H had just handed them out randomly! And not asked the kids to check the names! And when DD tried to point out the error she was told to "be quiet." So they did the whole first section of the test in the wrong booklets.

Then, Mrs. H realized the error and had them switch booklets and then change the answers to their own answers. I can't imagine that this procedure was very accurate, knowing 3rd graders. Besides, a teacher friend of mine told me that the booklets are not all the same. There are several versions.

When DD told me that, I took her straight to the principal and had her tell the principal what happened. Mrs. H was gone this morning and there was a different sub there. But what about the first part of the test? Shouldn't that be invalidated? My teacher friend seemed to think something like this is a disaster that would lead to an audit of the school!

I am going to talk to the principal again, but I am wondering what the rules are for reporting testing irregularities. Is the principal required to report this? What if she doesn't?
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 06:35 PM
Ok, I called the CDE. They said to send them email detailing the scenario. I can't decide if I should send it or not. Should I give the principal a chance to send it first? I don't think that my DD was lying, but of course she is 8 and her version of events may not be exactly what happened. On the other hand, there may have been other mistakes made by Mrs. H that DD doesn't know about. Maybe CDE should look into it...

When DD told the principal what happened, the principal said she would "take a look at their test booklets." Can she do that?
Posted By: elh0706 Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 06:42 PM
I do not know the laws for you, but my inclination would be to send the email to the testing center letting them know what your daughter experienced. The CDE can take it from there. These tests matter to the student, school, district, and state. They need to know that there is the possibility that there was a problem with the administration of the test. You can certainly mention that you expect that the Principal will also be contacting them with his/her concerns. You can blind copy the Principal if you want to make sure that the lines of communication are clear as well.

Good luck smile
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 06:48 PM
Yes, I am leaning that way as well. First, I am going to talk to the principal in person. I want to know what she is going to do about this. My DD needs these results to help her qualify for the GATE program--<sigh>. I hope the whole test isn't invalidated.
Posted By: Kriston Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 07:20 PM
I'd definitely report it to the CDE, especially since you already talked to the principal before the fact and this bungled test was the result. You trusted her to take care of it once. That failed, so I don't think you trust her fix it after the fact. She had her chance. And I do think it's important enough to report.

CCing the principal seems kindly of you, but it does make it clear to her that you're the one who reported it. If that's okay with you, then no problem. It sort of depends upon the relationship you have with the pricipal and how you think she'd receive your reporting it. If your name would be attached to anything she's going to see, then I'd definitely CC her, and maybe even call ahead of sending the message to tell her what you're doing and why. You don't want to seem to be ambushing her.

Fingers crossed that Mrs. H didn't blow it so badly that you can't use the scores. If that happens, I think I'd raise a BIG stink! You need that test, and if the school blows it for your daughter through incompetence and lack of attention to an obvious problem, then I think they have to make it right for your daughter.

But what do I know?
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 08:40 PM
I don't think it would go over well with the principal if I reported it. She and I have history... Even calling ahead or CCing her could seem like going over her head. Maybe she is going to report it herself, anyway. I would think she would rather report it and blame the whole thing on the sub than risk anyone finding out that she didn't report it.

I am going to talk to her to find out what she is going to do and what it will mean to my DD if the score is invalid. There may be an alternate assessment. Hey, maybe they could use her recent WISC scores--those show her above the 95%ile.
Posted By: LMom Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 08:48 PM
I wouldn't contact them without talking to the principal first. If I were the principal I would be extremely upset if somebody reported it. It should come from her and you should give her the chance to be the first to do so. You have your child in the school and you don't want any unnecessary problems with the principal.

I would go and talk to the principal again and ask her what the current situation is. To this day I remember when my father complained about my teacher to the principal and of course, the one who ended up in trouble was me. Just my two cents.
Posted By: Kriston Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 08:56 PM
I agree. The only way it works is if you're either utterly anonymous or utterly upfront and "playing team" with the principal. Anything in between is bad.
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 09:03 PM
At this point I think anonymous is out of the question.
Posted By: Kriston Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 09:13 PM
Then I think you have to make SURE the principal reports it to the CDE. No more lip service. If she doesn't report it, then I do think you have to, regardless. I wouldn't surprise her with it, but if she says something about wanting to handle it in-house or whatever else she might say to blow you off, I think you have to follow up.

Be kind. Be a team player. But be firm about it. I really don't think you should take no for an answer.
Posted By: incogneato Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 09:29 PM
I agree, this is just too important. It's not just your kid who will be affected either.
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 10:31 PM
Sigh. I just talked to her before I picked up the kids. She said that she looked at their booklets to make sure they completely erased and that they all had at least some erasures showing that the answers were changed. She doesn't think the scores will be affected because for 3rd grade all the booklets are the same.

I asked her if she confirmed what DD said with the sub and she said she didn't even talk to her, just left her a message saying that she was no longer needed.

Ugh. I don't really like the choices I have here! I was hoping she would just report it herself...
Posted By: kimck Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 10:43 PM
That is really horrible Cathy! Even if there is only 1 version, a 3rd grader could be totally influenced by what another student erased out of their book if I'm understanding this correctly. You are in a really tough position. The principal doesn't sound concerned in the least about getting accurate test scores!?

I have no amazing advice, but you have my sympathy! Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 10:45 PM
Thanks kimck.
Posted By: delbows Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 11:45 PM
Cathy,
You should negotiate now with the principle for an alternative assessment for the GATE program if your daughter�s scores on the affected tests don�t meet the required qualifications.
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/29/08 11:58 PM
Good idea, delbows. I will do that.
Posted By: bk1 Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/30/08 03:36 AM
I suggest BCC'ing the principal on a post-dated letter, so that she can see it several days in advance of your mailing and knows that you will be sending the report to the CDE and has her own chance to make a report before they get your letter.

AND ask for alternative measures for the GATE program entrance.
Posted By: Kriston Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/30/08 01:27 PM
Oooo! Good idea, bk1! I vote for that!
Posted By: Cathy A Re: Sub bungles CAT/6 state testing. - 04/30/08 07:14 PM
Maybe I'm making a deal with the devil here, but I just can't bring myself to go over her head and report it. I know the result will be a sh!tstorm and I have too many things that I need this principal's goodwill on. Hopefully, it won't affect DD much; DD said that E had her booklet (E is a very bright kid) and that DD only had to change two answers to reflect her own choices.

I hate this. I am a very by-the-book person and it really grates on me.
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