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Posted By: yannam Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 03:50 PM
I read a lot of posts here that their kids are bored to tears etc and not getting adequate material in school, not challenged, so on.

DD6 (june birthday) tested by RAIS at age 4 and scored 153 and skipped a grade and doing pretty well in her present grade 2.
her reading level is Q (GRL) at end of 1st grade assessment (I suppose grade 4 or so level). Advanced in math and writing aspects as well

But I have never seen her complaining that she is bored. Even now she gets books from library at varying levels ( for instance she got matilda and she got couple of picture books which have just pictures and alphabets this week) She equally enjoys both levels and reads them with same enthusiasm. I bet If we put her in Kindergarten, she will "enjoy". It sometimes make me wonder skipping her a grade is right decision or not

I know there will be several children like this, I just want to share my experience and would like to know others
Posted By: Cricket2 Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 03:55 PM
My youngest rarely complains of boredom either. For her, I think that it is a combo of being such an out of the box thinker that school is never a fit for how she approaches things so she doesn't expect engagement and being a huge extrovert whose focus is on the social aspect of school anyway.
Posted By: NCPMom Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:08 PM
My 8 year old 3rd grader never ever complains that he is bored at school. He prefers lower level books (was testedat a 5th grade level in 1st grade for what it's worth),and is quite happy to do the grade level math work even though he has mastered it. He does go to 4th grade math. His 3rd grade teacher is wonderful at differentiating, but even if she didn't, I think he would be perfectly content. He is wonderfully behaved in school - a model student, from what I hear. Not entirely sure how gifted he is (or even if he is LOL - still got that denial going on) - but I know they're working with him at school, and he is happy, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts smile
Posted By: Beckee Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Cricket2
My youngest rarely complains of boredom either. For her, I think that it is a combo of being such an out of the box thinker that school is never a fit for how she approaches things so she doesn't expect engagement and being a huge extrovert whose focus is on the social aspect of school anyway.


Certain personality types are much more likely to complain than others. Ruf explains this in terms of the Myers-Briggs profile:

"When a gifted Feeling student is assigned tasks that are below the gifted student�s interests or abilities, the Feeler feels insulted and diminished. The difference here is that the Thinker thinks poorly of the teacher, while the Feeler is hurt by the teacher�s lack of awareness or concern for how the student feels and what the student needs."

http://www.educationaloptions.com/resources/resources_rufs_tips.php
Posted By: TwinkleToes Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:17 PM
Beckee, the comments on the Myers-Briggs profiles were so interesting to me. I do think some kids will just coast along and not be bothered. My child is very outspoken which I find more challenging because I can't ignore things either.
Posted By: Cricket2 Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Beckee
"When a gifted Feeling student is assigned tasks that are below the gifted student�s interests or abilities, the Feeler feels insulted and diminished. The difference here is that the Thinker thinks poorly of the teacher, while the Feeler is hurt by the teacher�s lack of awareness or concern for how the student feels and what the student needs."
And, then you've got my oldest who is both insulted and thinking poorly of the teacher - lol! She is currently planning witty end of the year gifts for her teachers, most of whom she finds insulting. Her history teacher expects absolute obedience to everything he says including hands folded on desks throughout class, etc. She wants to get him a copy of Milgram's Obedience to Authority with a note about authority figures not deserving absolute obedience without question b/c that has potentially negative consequences.
Posted By: yannam Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:20 PM
Similarly, DD also 'outstanding' in grade report on listening to teacher's instruction, 'working in the class'
Posted By: DeHe Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by yannam
But I have never seen her complaining that she is bored. Even now she gets books from library at varying levels ( for instance she got matilda and she got couple of picture books which have just pictures and alphabets this week) She equally enjoys both levels and reads them with same enthusiasm. I bet If we put her in Kindergarten, she will "enjoy". It sometimes make me wonder skipping her a grade is right decision or not

I know there will be several children like this, I just want to share my experience and would like to know others

yannam
the school work and library books might be apples and oranges. I once saw a sign in my local library that said, just because they can read doesn't mean they don't like the pictures. After that I made sure to bring home an assortment of levels. My DS 5 is very advanced in reading and science and still finds some picture books hysterical. Emotionally he is still 5, he likes jokes and stories that appeal to that age even though he often reads much more sophisticated science and chapter books. But I think there is a different with pleasure reading and school work - if she can comprehend concepts at a higher level and work faster she should be exposed to it regardless of whether she enjoys reading at her emotional age, imo.

DeHe
Posted By: amylou Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/06/11 04:45 PM
My dd is totally like this - never bored. She is 11 yo and in public school 6th grade -- no grade skips so far. Our most concrete indicator that she has a right to be bored - she received a bronze medal (among a couple thousand (?) participants) from NUMATS for her composite Explore score back when she was a 4th grader. She also maxed out the Lexile scale (score reported as "1700+") in SRI testing as a 5th grader, and had the high score in the district on the math screening test for 6th grade math placement when she was a 4th grader.

The only real complaint she's made about boredom is that she hates it when they make her sit quietly doing nothing while waiting for other students to finish during standardized testing each November.

I think there are several factors. She is cheerful and outgoing and *loves* the fact that she's a kid and school is her thing (not the parents'), and she has also been fortunate with teacher assignments, especially the past couple of years. We also like to think we have instilled in our kids a sense of their own responsibility -- we taught them to self-entertain from an early age (no TV, for example), that there is learning value in almost any situation and that if they are bored it is their own problem -- but I'm not sure we really deserve any credit here.

As a 6th grader just starting middle school, she has several new things to ward off boredom - new friends, open ended research projects, algebra for math, and learning a musical instrument for the first time in band class.

We take it one year at a time and constantly reassess. We are open to skips or changing schools in the future if the situation changes to one that is not working well for her.
Posted By: Haiku Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/07/11 08:08 AM
I have similar experiences with my DS8 who is in 4th grade (skipped K, PG, maxes out the tests they give him). He complains to us sometimes if he is bored in math. In all other subjects he usually just does what is asked of him - he's a rule follower. This has made it particularly difficult when asking for differentiation, because the teachers expect him to be selecting harder work or demonstrating boredness.

When we quiz him about it, he will eventually admit that he is bored and wishes he were more challenged. We talk to him a lot about challenging himself when the opportunities arise (pick a harder book next time!) and about how his choices can impact my ability to advocate for him to get the harder work he wants.

But, ultimately, we seek a balance: strong work ethic, having fun, being a kid, liking school, having friends, being challenged, learning, building skills, pushing oneself, being obedient, speaking up for yourself, doing one's best, effort over achievement... I am trying to build a whole person here and that development comes from so many different places. That's the thought that helps keep me moving forward, anyway. smile
Posted By: ColinsMum Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/07/11 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by yannam
But I have never seen her complaining that she is bored. Even now she gets books from library at varying levels ( for instance she got matilda and she got couple of picture books which have just pictures and alphabets this week) She equally enjoys both levels and reads them with same enthusiasm. I bet If we put her in Kindergarten, she will "enjoy". It sometimes make me wonder skipping her a grade is right decision or not

I know there will be several children like this, I just want to share my experience and would like to know others
Very familiar. DS7 still gets out and reads the Songbird Phonics books that we got him when he was starting to read at 2 sometimes! He did complain about being bored in maths, in his first term at school, and has had his own maths ever since (but isn't skipped). No other boredom complaints. I think a lot depends on good teaching; it looks as though DS's teachers so far have done a really good job of letting the children take a topic and run with it, and he seems to get hardly any busy work. Doubtless it's also partly temperament of the child, though. DS seems to like the whole school experience, and can always extract something of interest from any class. (He hasn't been tested, and I do confess to sometimes wondering whether what's actually going on is that he isn't gifted in general, he just has a weird thing for maths. However, if anyone else said this about a child with DS's history, I know I'd say they were in denial.) Be happy your DD isn't bored so far, and long may it continue!
Posted By: aculady Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/07/11 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by ColinsMum
DS7 still gets out and reads the Songbird Phonics books that we got him when he was starting to read at 2 sometimes! ... (He hasn't been tested, and I do confess to sometimes wondering whether what's actually going on is that he isn't gifted in general, he just has a weird thing for maths.

Yeah, all the generally non-gifted kids I know were reading at 2. wink
Posted By: shellymos Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/10/11 12:34 AM
It's so funny how different they call can be. DS7 never really complains of being bored in school. He did used to act out which showed us he was bored, but now even though we know he is not completely appropriately challenged (even with one grade skip +2/+4 acceleration in most areas) he still doesn't complain. When asked about science the other day (which they have not accelerated for him...of course I haven't pushed it yet) he said he thought it was fun and wasn't hard but was okay for him. He enjoys the labs and all that stuff they do. It's hard because I still have to try and challenge him and keep him interested even though he doesn't complain about it. But when you get 100% on everything, we need to up things a little. My DD4 doesn't act out and just quietly will sit through things that are easier for her. She hasn't been tested yet but I am sure she is gifted on some level.
Posted By: Beckee Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/10/11 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by shellymos
DS7 never really complains of being bored in school.


Certain personality types will never complain, even if they realize the expectations set for them are ridiculously low. They learn how to cruise, when to look at their books, when to look up, and when to count to three before raising their hands, so that they let the other students participate and save only the most difficlt questions for themselves.

These students also learn that when the teacher or principal tells the students to try their best, the adults don't really mean *everybody*.
Posted By: Camille Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/14/11 04:06 AM
hmm, my son has not said that he is bored, HOWEVER he is constantly acting out in class and being disrespectful to the teachers (rolling his eyes and such) He is not advanced in all areas though. His reading is right about average. It is in the area of math that he excels. He seems to be doing the math worksheets in class and the ones he gets for homework willingly enough.
Posted By: Mousemom Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/18/11 07:50 PM
My ds never really complained until he started to feel some challenges via doing work a grade above. I think that because he never really felt challenged, he didn't know the difference. Once he encountered slightly more interesting material, the flood gates have opened. He is unwilling to be satisfied with work that doesn't fit. But it's not just complaining. It's really a "drive" that I see-he craves more and is more vocal about it.
Posted By: Pru Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/18/11 09:01 PM
DD8 values pleasing people and fitting in far more than knowledge, much less stretching herself in the pursuit of knowledge. My impression after quizzing her about this at the end of 2nd grade is that the thinking power she possesses which is beyond the current grade really is of little use to her at school, and that she spends a lot of time making her brain behave in class when it is bored or when it spots fallacies or ambiguities on tests.

Maybe in some twisted and wrong way that's how she avoids being bored.
Posted By: jack'smom Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/18/11 09:55 PM
Yes, my younger son is like that too. He came home from first grade the other day and said very excitedly, "mommy! We learned how to tell time today!"
I finally pointed out, "hey, you already know how to tell time! Remember?" He learned in preschool and we revisited it in kindergarten.
Having a child who is eager to please has good and bad points. At least she will probably do her homework or boring repetitive work, to a point, just to please the teacher. On the other hand, like my younger son, she may never say, "I know this already, can you give me more advanced work?"
Posted By: yannam Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/19/11 10:31 PM
I still feel even though they do not complain we need to challenge them...otherday during teacher was discussing term results and tells us DD skipped a block (5 questions in 60 test problems) and those are the only wrong answeres and told DD to answer slowly. she also mentioned thst sometimes DD gets bored in class and otherwise does exactly what she was told
let her sail.....
Posted By: Pru Re: Have you seen this type? - 10/21/11 04:12 PM
DD8 got a "ticket" in class yesterday because she was lost in a book. It's an advanced/gifted class where they are allowed to read if they finish their work early. DD has been using the word 'bored' to describe class more lately. Apparently the teacher called upon her but she could not disengage in time from the book to respond.

So the message behind the ticket is: You're allowed to be bored in class but you're not allowed to be so intensely interested in something that you cannot immediately stand at attention when called upon to engage in something boring.
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