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Posted By: HelloBaby Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/23/14 07:44 PM
DS5 is in K, which is relatively academically "advanced" for our area.

He can add and subtract three-digit numbers (and probably beyond). He understands the concept of multiplication, but he doesn’t have the multiplication table memorized.

He has asked me multiple times why the school math homework is so easy. His math homework is mostly number printing, pick out the largest/smallest number from a bunch of numbers, etc.

How important is it to mention to his teacher his ability?
Posted By: puffin Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/23/14 07:51 PM
Here maths homework is usually below their instructional level. There are, however unlikely to be many kids adding and subtracting 3 digit numbers. Is homework compulsory or could you just do something else.
Posted By: HelloBaby Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/23/14 09:27 PM
His HW is compulsory.

Not sure what, if anything, the teacher could/would do after knowing his ability.

One advice I heard from last year teacher was -- stop teaching your kid advanced topics.
Posted By: ultramarina Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 02:01 AM
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Posted By: puffin Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 03:14 AM
Well you could stop teaching advanced topics but it wouldn't really solve the problem because you probably only teach the topics to stop him dying of boredom.
Posted By: 22B Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by HelloBaby
How important is it to mention to his teacher his ability?
There's no reason not to. Just communicate with the teacher straightforwardly with the goal of getting them to get it.
Posted By: Expat Mama Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 10:23 AM
An easy start would be to encouraging your DS to ask his teacher why his homework is so easy.

Also, I find compulsory HW for a 5 year old somewhat amusing... what happens if you don't do it? Or turn in more difficult assignments instead?
Posted By: HelloBaby Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by Expat Mama
Also, I find compulsory HW for a 5 year old somewhat amusing... what happens if you don't do it? Or turn in more difficult assignments instead?

If you miss so many HWs, the kid needs to stay after school and do HW then.

Never thought about turning in more difficult assignments. [Light bulb going off...]
Posted By: aquinas Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/25/14 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by HelloBaby
Originally Posted by Expat Mama
Also, I find compulsory HW for a 5 year old somewhat amusing... what happens if you don't do it? Or turn in more difficult assignments instead?

If you miss so many HWs, the kid needs to stay after school and do HW then.
Not without parental consent. I'd like to see their legal justification for kidnapping children!

The idea of 5 year olds doing homework is asinine.
Posted By: LRS Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/26/14 04:49 PM
5 year olds basically get an after school detention if they don't turn in hw?!

Wow
Posted By: mountainmom2011 Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/26/14 04:55 PM
Is this a charter school, or private? It seems really extreme for a regular run of the mill public school. I would not be ok at all with their homework expectations/policy for such little kids. This school sounds toxic.
Posted By: bluemagic Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/26/14 05:05 PM
When my daughter was in 1st grade if a student had uncompleted homework or seat work the student would be kept in from afternoon recess. (She turns 20 soon, this kind of thing isn't new.) The teachers plan was that then the student could get the work done and get extra help. A bunch of us parents complained because the kids who were being kept in, where the ones who had ants in their pants and needed that recess the most. It was the younger kids, those not quite as mature or had ADHD. Keeping them in from recess made their attention worse not better.

Probably the theory behind the detention is it's not punishment, but extra help. But in your child's case it turns into punishment. I would try talking to the teacher about whether you can substitute alternative homework.
Posted By: Val Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 09/26/14 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by mountainmom2011
Is this a charter school, or private? It seems really extreme for a regular run of the mill public school. I would not be ok at all with their homework expectations/policy for such little kids. This school sounds toxic.

It happens in public schools. My daughter had an appendectomy a while back. Her roommate (same problem) was in kindergarten or first grade. My DD was out after three days/two nights, but this girl had a more serious case, and was stuck in the hospital for 5 or 6 nights. I barely saw her stand up the whole time we were there. Our nights 1 and 2 were nights 3 and 4 for her, so she was pretty ill. She was attached to an IV unit the whole time we were there.

She was doing homework in her hospital bed --- all three days we were there. That tiny little girl was expected to write a journal entry every day (at least one paragraph IIRC), do math worksheets, and so on. It was ridiculous, and her mother told me she went to a local public school. It was a "high achieving" public school, whatever that means.

And to add insult to injury surgery, we were all there during a school vacation. mad

Posted By: HelloBaby Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/20/14 09:12 PM
Our is a private school. It's not a detention per se. The goal of staying after school is to "help" those kids with homework.

I stopped exposing DS to new math materials. Then over the weekend, I spent 5 minutes teaching him how to multiply 2 digits by 2 digits, and he was so excited about learning something new.

I felt like by me stopping to teach DS new materials, I was robbing him of the joy of learning.

How do I explain to a K teacher that my kid is doing 2 digits by 2 digits multiplication while being tactful?
Posted By: KathrynH Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/20/14 10:27 PM
Maybe he could do a problem or two on the back of the nightly homework for a few nights. (It would be interesting to see if the teacher comments on this.)

Posted By: BenjaminL Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/20/14 10:47 PM
I think your framing this the wrong way. There's no point trying to inform the teacher unless you want something to change. And the way you keep phrasing things I'm not sure. Do you want acceleration / differentiation etc in school? If so what you really want to do is to start and explore what options already exist in the school and find out how to take advantage of them. Any discussion of your son's ability should be in the context of why he needs additional challenge. If not (which is fine - its only K) then I don't think you need to feel guilty in any way about enriching at home either.

Posted By: Loy58 Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/20/14 11:30 PM
HelloBaby, well, honestly, you can tell the teacher, but you run the risk of her not believing you. Your DS sounds a bit like my DS6, who is now in 1st grade. DS's teacher could tell he seemed pretty bright last year, and made comments to me about it. I also shared stories with her of what he was doing at home, but I usually wondered later whether she thought I was crazy/deluded wink. Finally, this summer, we went ahead and had him tested. He is now a DYS. The objective data is a bit easier to advocate with than my random observations.
Posted By: Dude Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/21/14 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Val
It was a "high achieving" public school, whatever that means.

I've decided that "high achieving" is a code phrase for "too much homework."
Posted By: HelloBaby Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/21/14 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by BenjaminL
I think your framing this the wrong way. There's no point trying to inform the teacher unless you want something to change.

But isn't it a catch-22? If I don’t let the teacher know DS’ ability, nothing will change.

Given the size of the school (20 students per grade), there is no formal gifted program.
Posted By: aeh Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/21/14 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Dude
Originally Posted by Val
It was a "high achieving" public school, whatever that means.

I've decided that "high achieving" is a code phrase for "too much homework."
Sadly.
Posted By: 22B Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/21/14 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by master of none
There is no need to share information unless it will further the cause.
I would say: There is no need to withhold information unless it will hurt the cause.
Posted By: MegMeg Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/22/14 12:59 AM
The problem is, it can almost always hurt the cause, by burning your political capital and making you seem like That Parent.
Posted By: HelloBaby Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/22/14 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by MegMeg
The problem is, it can almost always hurt the cause, by burning your political capital and making you seem like That Parent.

Is the only realistic way to get any accommodations is via outside help (e.g. formal test, DYS)?
Posted By: st pauli girl Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/22/14 06:45 PM
I think all kindergarten teachers like to know that the kids are happy. If the math being easy is making your kid unhappy, I think that is worth bringing up to the teacher. But like others have said, what is your goal? Is the grade level instruction too easy, or just the homework? Do you want to substitute harder homework? Do you want to see if he can go up a grade for math? First figure out what you want, and then go talk with the teacher. I don't think asking for something like the ability to learn new material, just like all the other kids get to do, should make you "That Mom". And who cares if it does? You can be That Mom if it works.
Posted By: mecreature Re: Bring it up to the teacher? - 10/22/14 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by KathrynH
Maybe he could do a problem or two on the back of the nightly homework for a few nights. (It would be interesting to see if the teacher comments on this.)


We did this. It only takes 5 minutes or less at this age to teach something that is cool. And the back of the paper is blank. I usually left one unsolved problem on there also. The hard part was getting him to put his name on the paper.
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