Gifted Bulletin Board

Welcome to the Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

We invite you to share your experiences and to post information about advocacy, research and other gifted education issues on this free public discussion forum.
CLICK HERE to Log In. Click here for the Board Rules.

Links


Learn about Davidson Academy Online - for profoundly gifted students living anywhere in the U.S. & Canada.

The Davidson Institute is a national nonprofit dedicated to supporting profoundly gifted students through the following programs:

  • Fellows Scholarship
  • Young Scholars
  • Davidson Academy
  • THINK Summer Institute

  • Subscribe to the Davidson Institute's eNews-Update Newsletter >

    Free Gifted Resources & Guides >

    Who's Online Now
    0 members (), 203 guests, and 15 robots.
    Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
    Newest Members
    Emerson Wong, Markas, HarryKevin91, Gingtto, SusanRoth
    11,429 Registered Users
    May
    S M T W T F S
    1 2 3 4
    5 6 7 8 9 10 11
    12 13 14 15 16 17 18
    19 20 21 22 23 24 25
    26 27 28 29 30 31
    Previous Thread
    Next Thread
    Print Thread
    Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
    Joined: Jan 2008
    Posts: 830
    Member
    OP Offline
    Member
    Joined: Jan 2008
    Posts: 830
    OK, I could have titled this thread, "Best way to praise your gifted child" but it seems negative headlines get more attention.
    I'm still debating with myself on whether to have GS tested. In my search for that answer I found this article, How not to talk to your kids .
    snip:
    Quote
    For the past ten years, psychologist Carol Dweck and her team at Columbia (she�s now at Stanford) studied the effect of praise on students in a dozen New York schools. Her seminal work�a series of experiments on 400 fifth-graders�paints the picture most clearly.



    Dweck sent four female research assistants into New York fifth-grade classrooms. The researchers would take a single child out of the classroom for a nonverbal IQ test consisting of a series of puzzles�puzzles easy enough that all the children would do fairly well. Once the child finished the test, the researchers told each student his score, then gave him a single line of praise. Randomly divided into groups, some were praised for their intelligence. They were told, �You must be smart at this.� Other students were praised for their effort: �You must have worked really hard.�
    To find the results, follow the link, it is invaluable.

    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 516
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 516
    I have to admit I really like this as I have been living with this philosophy since before I even had my kids. I can't remember where I read this before (not this exact article but on the same topic) but it really hit home with me. In another thread I talked about people not trying as hard and never learning to fail in life as part of their just thinking they are "smart" and not applying themselves as fully as they could because of that fear of failure. I have never arbitrarily told my kids that they were smart when they did something well. In fact I have always told them that being smart in and of itself doesn't matter if you don't use it. Hard work, hard work, hard work is my mantra. This comes from seeing kids I went to school who were absolutely brilliant but then wound up doing nothing in life due to their fear of failure.

    I think of intelligence as any talent - it's only as good as the effort you put into sustaining it and making it grow. No it won't go away if you don't work hard, but it isn't going to do you as much good as if you applied yourself. Anyway, I really enjoyed the article! smile

    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 68
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Nov 2007
    Posts: 68
    Thanks for sharing this article. It was a very interesting read and now have to evaluate my own praise usage. smile

    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 6,145
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 6,145
    When my kids try something new--even if they stink at it--I praise them like mad for their willingness to put themselves out there. One side effect is that my older child tries every new food that comes his way. It's nice to have a 6yo who will try even crazy stuff like dried fish from Iceland and cactus fruit!

    And naturally, praising hard work is key. I couldn't agree more. laugh Praising natural ability seems to me to be like praising a kid's eye color. Saying "thank you" for that seems...odd!


    Kriston
    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 1,134
    K
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    K
    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 1,134
    Ha Kriston. DS7 is the same with food - he will try anything! He recently ate oysters and calamari. I also really praise the willingness to try. DS really fights a hard mental battle to try new activites. He is taking unicycle class right now and I swear he is learning more about effort and hard work in that class than he has all year at school.

    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 6,145
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Sep 2007
    Posts: 6,145
    Unicycle class?! How COOL is that?!?!

    Wanna adopt me, Kim? I want to be your child! smile


    Kriston
    Joined: Dec 2007
    Posts: 312
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Dec 2007
    Posts: 312
    I wish I could cajole my dd6 to try new foods with praise!! I have even tried bribing and even that doesn't work!!!

    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posts: 797
    acs Offline
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Mar 2007
    Posts: 797
    Bianca, don't worry about the food thing. It's partly wiring that you can't change. DS has been one of the pickier eaters you will meet. Suddenly, in the last 6 months (since turning 12) he has changed--he wants to try new foods. He had tofu for dinner tonight, cream of spinach soup a few days ago; he eats salad, and brocolli and all kinds of things he couldn't stand a year ago. I think his brain just matured. Calmness and patience and gentle encouragment has paid off. Really, your DD won't be like this her whole life.

    Joined: Dec 2005
    Posts: 7,207
    Member
    Offline
    Member
    Joined: Dec 2005
    Posts: 7,207
    I'm a big believer in praise effort not inborn traits, and Sylvia Rimm has lots to say on this if you want to read more HOWEVER I can't tell you how many people read the Dweck article and jump to the conclusion that they shouldn't talk to their kids about their 'difference' or get testing.

    A) How can on get a child into a 'good fit learning environment' without testing to get an idea what that might be (not counting homeschooling and certian amazing schools)

    B) If it isn't spoken of, it becomes the "Elephant in the Living Room." Taboo and unspeakable.

    When one praises effort, one has to also take account of ability. So it's ok to acknowledge ability while praising effort. KWIM?

    Grimity


    Coaching available, at SchoolSuccessSolutions.com
    Joined: Jan 2008
    Posts: 830
    Member
    OP Offline
    Member
    Joined: Jan 2008
    Posts: 830
    Originally Posted by Grinity
    I'm a big believer in praise effort not inborn traits, and Sylvia Rimm has lots to say on this if you want to read more HOWEVER I can't tell you how many people read the Dweck article and jump to the conclusion that they shouldn't talk to their kids about their 'difference' or get testing.

    A) How can on get a child into a 'good fit learning environment' without testing to get an idea what that might be (not counting homeschooling and certian amazing schools)

    B) If it isn't spoken of, it becomes the "Elephant in the Living Room." Taboo and unspeakable.

    When one praises effort, one has to also take account of ability. So it's ok to acknowledge ability while praising effort. KWIM?

    Grimity

    Sure do! I'll have to look up Sylvia Rimm.

    Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

    Moderated by  M-Moderator 

    Link Copied to Clipboard
    Recent Posts
    Beyond IQ: The consequences of ignoring talent
    by indigo - 05/01/24 05:21 PM
    Technology may replace 40% of jobs in 15 years
    by indigo - 04/30/24 12:27 AM
    NAGC Tip Sheets
    by indigo - 04/29/24 08:36 AM
    Employers less likely to hire from IVYs
    by Wren - 04/29/24 03:43 AM
    Testing with accommodations
    by blackcat - 04/17/24 08:15 AM
    Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5