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I saw the Vice Principal yesterday and he'd contacted the test company rep. The rep said the Preliminary Norms were made before they had any large scale test results and not to use it. They'd made it up because schools kept asking for something with percentiles before the large scale testing results were complete.
That's disconcerting in itself, but I'm also amazed that the Principal and Vice Principal could look at the 2 sets of data (Preliminary Norms and RIT Scale Norms for Early Primary Grades) and choose to go with the set that it so out of whack (Preliminary Norms).
For instance, I calculated the Standard Deviation for the Preliminary Norms to be 33 for Math and 31 for Reading. The SD for the RIT Scale Norms is 12 for Math and 10 for Reading. For Math using the Preliminary Norms, 95% of the 1st grade data would fall between 94 and 226. Using RSN for EPG, 95% of the 1st grade data would fall between 140 and 184. To put it in perspective, the K beginning of year mean is 149.5 and 7th grade middle of year mean is 226.4. Which set of data would you choose?
I knew there was something wrong with the Preliminary Norms because I knew my daughter. Does this indicate they don't know their students? How does this impact the planning process for the students?
I brought the MAP issue up at the School Based Decision Making Council. It's an organization made up of the principal, parents and teachers with a number of legal responsibilities including test score analysis. I'm also planning to contact the district testing expert to see what type of oversight there is for test score analysis and if other schools are making the same error.
I'm still waiting to find out when they're going to test DD and what assessment would be used. From your experience, what is the typical time it takes from when a parent requests an assessment and the child is tested?
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Well, her scores wsic are fsiq 126. VCI 140 PRI 140, GAI 151. The school district has a firm cut off of 130. Does any one know of an IQ test that doesn't relye on so much processing? I am thinking about out side testing. Hi, I hope that Dottie catches this part of your post... She definitely can guide you. If you don't get a response, PM her. Good luck KLH and Inky...
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Throw a few more weeks on the front end for "official" paperwork, and a few more on the tail end to get around snow days/etc for finalizing the paperwork, and you could be looking at 5 months, ! Uugh! It's been two weeks and I thought that was excessive. Thanks for letting me know and I'll work on readjusting my internal clock.
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Adding this to the original thread in case someone else runs into this problem. Hopefully it will save a lot of searching. It looks like other school districts are using the erroneous MAP data (Preliminary and Initial Norms). I found this on a different district's web site. I think I have to write a letter to NWEA. Note: These are the bad norms!! http://www.bismarck.k12.nd.us/uploads%5Cresources%5C2530%5Cmap_pri_fall_percentiles.pdf http://www.bismarck.k12.nd.us/uploads/resources/2531/map_pri_spring_percentiles.pdf
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So those are the *incorrect* scores, right? Just checking to make sure the scores/percentiles I have are right! Do you have a similar link for the correct scores/percentiles? ETA: Doh. Went back a page and found it. 
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The fact that little change in status and growth was noted between the 2005 study and the current study is not unexpected, since the sample sizes in each study are so large that a major change in education would be needed to affect the norms substantially. On the other hand, individual schools and
districts show remarkable differences in how their students grow. While this is a fascinating story, it is one for another time. This was the last sentence of the report. I'd love to know more about this story! 
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Yikes! 
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