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    Oh I remember when DS8 then 7 had a breakdown like that. He was standing in the doorway on his way to the bus stop. THere was just no way I could send him to school in that condition so I called him in sick ... mentally ill or physically ill, no difference. I thought for sure I was done for as he'd never want to go back to school but that wasn't the case. I think my letting him stay home let him know that I was listening. I told him we'd seek help of a psychologist to help us figure things out and that seemed to be enough.

    You might tell your son that the psych is working on the report etc, after giving him a few days break, and see if he can hang in there. There is nothing wrong w/ taking your son out for a few days. His mental health is waaayyyyyy more important.


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    Poor Montana, poor little boy--I'm so very sorry he's in so much pain (and of course so are you, seeing him so sad).

    I don't have much to offer but good thoughts--but I do wonder if possibly your pediatrician might help? I'm just thinking that sometimes it is nice to have an "authority" figure on your side (as in being able to say to the school if they call, "yes, he's not been feeling well, and our pediatrician agreed that he needed a few days of complete rest," or some such thing).

    take good care--
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    You can contact Deborah Stevenson at NHELD for legal advice. She's a lawyer based in CT who represents homeschooling families.
    http://www.nheld.com/


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    What I'd do, in this order:
    Keep DS home a couple days, and encourage him to hang in there through Christmas. He'll have extra time off for Thanksgiving. He'll have about 3 weeks in December before Christmas break, and he'll have fun things like Christmas parties & usually a program during those 3 weeks.
    Call the psychologist and try to speed things up. You want to get action before Christmas! Our school requires 90 days advance request before accelerating a child.
    If you keep DS home a few days, then send him back while you wait on the psychologist, I would not tell the school anything other than DS didn't feel well. If the dr has a plan, then you can tell the school why DS didn't feel well.

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    thank you, everyone. I showed this thread to my dh in the middle of the night, which I think helped dh feel validated in the 'this is a serious problem' kind of way. (my dh and I are both mediators, which makes it hard b/c someone has to take the 'I am the position to be mediated FROM' role, and neither of us wants to).

    In the end we kept ds home today and called him in sick, and are trying to think what to do now. He was still pretty upset this morning, bags under his eyes, weepy, etc. I've tried to be a combo of 'this isn't something you can do any time you don't feel like being in school and no you may not spend the day watching Little Bear episodes on Youtube' and telling him that this happens sometimes, and that I absolutely promise he will not spend his life feeling this way. I tried to find a fun spelling game online and kind of failed, but we did a little of that, and then I had him read The Whipping Boy, and he was So Scared to do that- it's clear that he has NO experience with not being sure he knows every word on a page and it completely freaked him out to just start reading! He cried a bit and begged to read silently instead, to do something easier, etc. I (gently, I hope) had him read the first chapter to me so I could see if he was getting it, and we talked it through. He learned a few words, and how to think about figuring out what's happening. Once he relaxed, he did great. And we talked about how that's how kids in his class feel when they have to read the books in school, and how it doesn't feel good, does it, and that they are brave to keep trying. I hope that helped with the intolerance with the slower learners thing in class.

    And I also encouraged him lots and praised him for getting through the older kid chapter, even though he was scared, and how well he did, and he perked up amazingly and ended up wanting to go through and read 4 chapters to me, seemed to really like that, got excited about learning new words, dragged out a dictionary and started reading that...my poor kid has an atrophied 'try' muscle. I felt like I was seeing him start to flex it for the first time in a while.

    Now I've sent him up for a bath to relax and float paper boats while I try to figure out what I'm going to do. I've learned that CT you can have 4 unexcused absences/month without getting in trouble, and I suspect that, having enrolled him, we don't get the under-7 escape clause. He's turning 7 next week anyway, come to think of it. At any rate, that buys some time, and making Christmas a turning point is probably a good idea.

    I'm so uncertain what to do, who to say what to. Like, call the guidance counselor? The principal? email the teacher about her mistaking ds's motivations pretty badly? I just don't know.

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    I think you have to start advocating now. Today. And pretty strongly. I wouldn't recommend going in with what you wrote there, but it does say to me that he needs changes, and you have to ask for them NOW!

    If you have time, any of you, what then DO you recommend I say, if I don't say he needs these things at LEAST, to start with. (the harder books, the ability to work ahead quietly or to work on his own more advanced material). How, too, do we talk about whether he should have a different teacher who doesn't consider someone doing these things 'spoiling' her classes? I don't even know how to open the conversation - I don't know how to say my son's way of learning and her way of teaching seem to really clash, in a way that's hurting him. I don't know how to say, I think she doesn't like him and that's not making a good environment for him - or her - at all. My dh and I are working on letter drafts, but right now they're not asking for anything, they're just describing a problem, b/c we don't know how to start asking, in what order, of who, etc. And I don't know whether to write and say, our son is home b/c he's physically ill b/c he's so upset and worried about getting in trouble in school for trying to do work that challenges him.

    Basically, with the psychologist...we have the IQ testing, we have the achievement testing, we have some social maturity testing, some rorschat, however you spell that, testing - I don't even know what that showed - we do not have teacher surveys, class observation, or the full write-up. She doesn't want to do any write up until she has it all done. But we've already heard back from the Davidson people - they want the full write up, not just his scores on the WISC-IV and the WIAT-whatever-number. And I don't think the psychologist can be hurried on this. She says she's really busy the next couple of weeks, and can't even talk to him til next Tuesday. :-(

    for whoever recommended the Yale Child Study center...I wish we'd known about this site before and gotten that recommendation...I want FAST. Even if it were way expensive. I'm in a throw money at the problem, throw anything at the problem, frame of mind. (better keep me off Amazon and that homeschooling site I found on one of these threads!) I think this person is actually affiliated part-time with the child study center, but we came to her through her private practice, and fast, she is not being. It took 6 weeks to get to see her to begin with, and then it's been two months for the testing which is not even done.

    ack. I'm so, SO tired. I want to play ostrich and take a good long nap while my head's stuck in that sand. thank you all. This is so painful...I'm horrified that so many people go through this, for varying problems. It seems learning shouldn't be a source of such pain!


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    Originally Posted by kcab
    For what it's worth, I got nowhere in that effort when DD11 was in first until I broke down in tears on the phone.

    kcab, you just made me feel so much better. I HATE that when I get v. upset or angry, it's like I can only take so much before I cry - it seems weak, to reinforce bad stereotypes about women, etc. And I definitely feel the crying snapping point hovering not far above me, and it tends to make me withdraw and try to make my DH be the point-person on all this, and he's busy. I LOVE the idea that crying might actually help! (well, ok, I HATE getting listened to when I cry and not other times ...I've had that problem with dh in the past!)

    I'm going to go try to take a nap and see if I can come at this fresh and decide what to do, if anything, today. I had so little sleep last night, between baby and up in middle of night with dh trying to figure this out. Baby is sleeping, poor ds is doing math on his own, b/c I tried to teach him multiplying multiple digits by multiple digits and apparently confused him to pieces, depressing both of us. I don't understand what he doesn't understand, which makes it pretty hard to correct! My brain is not working well today. I need a shadow-self to take over when this me is worn too down!

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    Montana,
    Lots of hugs to all of you! You sound like you are taking action and letting your son know that you are in his corner. I would be going nuts too with that testing situation!

    Now after his relaxing bath, take a few minutes for yourself! It will help make this more manageable!

    Take care and please keep us updated smile

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    I think I'm lousy at the advocacy, so I'll leave specific advice to wiser heads. (That's a big factor in our decision to homeschool, frankly. I couldn't imagine how I'd survive the eternal dance of trying to push hard enough to get change, but not pushing so hard as to alienate everyone in the school. My autism spectrum score seems relevant here...)

    Hopefully your experience with mediation will help you here. You know how to work to consensus.

    I can tell you what I've read here that has seemed to work for people: do pretty much what you're doing. Pose it as a problem ala "DS is miserable and resisting school in a way that is very distressing and not normal for him. I'm concerned. Could you help me with this?" (Only written better than that, of course. In meetings, it's supposed to be not a bad thing to cry if you are at that point, whereas normally you'd want to stifle tears at all costs. Don't fake them, but don't hide them either.) Then let the school suggest solutions and pick the ones that work for you.

    Do not use the word "bored" or even hint at it. People worry a lot more about unhappy kids than they do about bored ones.

    This will be a long process. If you feel your DS can't take it, then I think you may have to seriously consider other options like a change of schools or homeschooling. (That's how we began our year of "emergency homeschooling"--same exact scenario as yours!--highly upset child, no sign of progress, no idea how he could last the year that way, etc.) Schools move on something akin to geologic time for things like this. If the psych is slowing you down, too, I suspect you are not going to see much help this year, just given the timeline. It's why I worry about following the psych's advice and waiting a month until you have her report (though I absolutely recognize that she presumably has expertise with the schools that I do NOT have). But every day you wait is another day closer to the end of the year with no changes made.

    Kids are resiliant, and one bad year isn't likely to do scads of permanent damage. That's the bright side. But damage *is* being done when a child is that upset about something that is what he does for most of his day. It's just not okay IMHO.


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    You and kcab crossposted with me. More tears allowed by me. LOL!

    Hang in there!


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    Any chance that this meltdown has something to do with the new baby?

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