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    Originally Posted by Bostonian
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    Meh. It’s a WSJ opinion piece, and should be treated as such.

    My personal take is that they mis-ordered their acronym. SJW is more appropriate. Galloping to the defense of that pathetic and downtrodden minority, the wealthy white male.
    No, Dude and aquinas, the WSJ piece is from the news section, not the opinion section.

    A technicality.

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    I have been encouraging my daughter and younger son (ages 12 and 13) to learn programming. She has done some Scratch, and this Memorial Day weekend, has tried the EdX MIT Python course for beginners. It is free unless you want a certificate. Her older brother registered her for the class and installed Anaconda Python 3.6 for Windows on her laptop. Anaconda bundles the Python interpreter with the Spyder development environment. She has watched the lectures and done some of the exercises, which are graded online.
    Her math level is about Algebra I (through the Russian School of Math). She likes it so far.

    Middle school children may hit a wall at some point in a course intended for MIT students, but they can come back later if so.

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    Does anyone project that there wil be too many people pursuing STEM careers? I don't see a point in encouraging an entire generation to pursue STEM. I'm encouraging my son to consider skilled trades and agriculture, I think all the STEM jobs are going to be filled, and student debt will make trade and agriculture unattractive to those who pursued STEM. JMO. I will be curious what happens in the next 10 - 30 years.

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    Originally Posted by sanne
    Does anyone project that there wil be too many people pursuing STEM careers? I don't see a point in encouraging an entire generation to pursue STEM. I'm encouraging my son to consider skilled trades and agriculture, I think all the STEM jobs are going to be filled, and student debt will make trade and agriculture unattractive to those who pursued STEM. JMO. I will be curious what happens in the next 10 - 30 years.

    Interestingly, in my circle, agricultural careers are considered STEM. :-)

    I think encouraging more people to have STEM skills is a good goal, but agree that it's a little silly to think everyone is well suited for any particular type of career.

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    Originally Posted by ConnectingDots
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    Does anyone project that there wil be too many people pursuing STEM careers? I don't see a point in encouraging an entire generation to pursue STEM. I'm encouraging my son to consider skilled trades and agriculture, I think all the STEM jobs are going to be filled, and student debt will make trade and agriculture unattractive to those who pursued STEM. JMO. I will be curious what happens in the next 10 - 30 years.

    Interestingly, in my circle, agricultural careers are considered STEM. :-)

    I think encouraging more people to have STEM skills is a good goal, but agree that it's a little silly to think everyone is well suited for any particular type of career.


    Wow! I haven't heard of agriculture presented as STEM. I wonder if living in a rural area affects that? Around here, there is a small STEM project-based charter school one district over. And the local middle school has a STELM classroom for top 10th percentile students, which covers cryptography, LEGO robotics, 3D printing, and a couple other topics. Oh, and there's a private tutor that teaches computer coding (Scratch, Tynker) about 15 miles away. So we're not seeing much change for all the talk about STEM. Privileged families and identified-high achiever-high IQ children have limited access to STEM. Nothing for anyone else.

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    Originally Posted by sanne
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    Does anyone project that there wil be too many people pursuing STEM careers? I don't see a point in encouraging an entire generation to pursue STEM. I'm encouraging my son to consider skilled trades and agriculture, I think all the STEM jobs are going to be filled, and student debt will make trade and agriculture unattractive to those who pursued STEM. JMO. I will be curious what happens in the next 10 - 30 years.

    Interestingly, in my circle, agricultural careers are considered STEM. :-)

    I think encouraging more people to have STEM skills is a good goal, but agree that it's a little silly to think everyone is well suited for any particular type of career.


    Wow! I haven't heard of agriculture presented as STEM. I wonder if living in a rural area affects that? Around here, there is a small STEM project-based charter school one district over. And the local middle school has a STELM classroom for top 10th percentile students, which covers cryptography, LEGO robotics, 3D printing, and a couple other topics. Oh, and there's a private tutor that teaches computer coding (Scratch, Tynker) about 15 miles away. So we're not seeing much change for all the talk about STEM. Privileged families and identified-high achiever-high IQ children have limited access to STEM. Nothing for anyone else.

    Farming, no, but other careers in agriculture are considered that in my region (plant science, agricultural genomics, animal sciences).

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    On an absolute basis, girls and boys in rich suburban school districts are doing better than the national average. It looks like greater opportunities overall do not lead to more equal results.

    Where Boys Outperform Girls in Math: Rich, White and Suburban Districts
    By CLAIRE CAIN MILLER and KEVIN QUEALY
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    In much of the country, the stereotype that boys do better than girls at math isn’t true – on average, they perform about the same, at least through eighth grade. But there’s a notable exception.

    In school districts that are mostly rich, white and suburban, boys are much more likely to outperform girls in math, according to a new study from Stanford researchers, one of the most comprehensive looks at the gender gap in test scores at the school district level.

    The research, based on 260 million standardized test scores for third through eighth graders in nearly every district in the country, suggests that local norms influence how children perform in school from early ages – and that boys are much more influenced than girls.

    “It could be about some set of expectations, it could be messages kids get early on or it could be how they’re treated in school,” said Sean Reardon, professor of poverty and inequality in education at Stanford, who conducted the study with Erin Fahle, a doctoral candidate in education policy there, and colleagues. “Something operates to help boys more than girls in some places and help girls more than boys in other places.”

    The study included test scores from the 2008 to 2014 school years for 10,000 of the roughly 12,000 school districts in the United States. In no district do boys, on average, do as well or better than girls in English and language arts. In the average district, girls perform about three-quarters of a grade level ahead of boys.

    But in math, there is nearly no gender gap, on average. Girls perform slightly better than boys in about a quarter of districts – particularly those that are predominantly African-American and low-income. Boys do slightly better in the rest – and much better in high-income and mostly white or Asian-American districts.

    In the Montgomery Township district in New Jersey, for example, the median household income is $180,000 and the students are about 60 percent white and 30 percent Asian-American. Boys and girls both perform well, but boys score almost half a grade level ahead of girls in math. Compare that with Detroit, where the median household earns $27,000 and students are about 85 percent black. It’s one of the districts in which girls outperform boys in math.

    In Montgomery Township, the interest in academic achievement is high. “The students are very, very interested in their progress,” said Christopher Herte, the district’s math and science supervisor for Grades 5 to 8. “The biggest thing is family expectations and parents as role models. They don’t have to look far to see somebody who went to college or who’s doing extremely well.”

    Boys are much more likely than girls to sign up for math clubs and competitions, he said, to the point that the district started a girls-only math competition this year, the Sally Ride Contest.

    The gender achievement gap in math reflects a paradox of high-earning parents. They are more likely to say they hold egalitarian views about gender roles. But they are also more likely to act in traditional ways – father as breadwinner, mother as caregiver.

    The gap was largest in school districts in which men earned a lot, had high levels of education, and were likely to work in business or science. Women in such districts earned significantly less. Children might absorb the message that sons should grow up to work in high-earning, math-based jobs.


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    An implication of this new paper is that girls (and boys) who score well on the AMC but not well enough to advance to the next round (the AIME) should be encouraged to take the AMC in future years. I think some selective schools such as MIT do look at AMC scores.

    I don't see where the full paper is freely available.

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w24910
    Dynamics of the Gender Gap in High Math Achievement
    by Glenn Ellison, Ashley Swanson - #24910 (ED)

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    This paper examines the dynamics of the gender gap in high math
    achievement over the high school years using data from the
    American Mathematics Competition. A clear gender gap is already
    present by 9th grade and the gender gap widens over the high
    school years. High-achieving students must substantially improve
    their performance from year to year to maintain their
    within-cohort rank, but there is nonetheless a great deal of
    persistence in the rankings. Several gender-related differences
    in the dynamics contribute to the widening of the gender gap,
    including differences in dropout rates and in the mean and
    variance of year-to-year improvements among continuing students.
    A decomposition indicates that the most important difference is
    that fewer girls make large enough gains to move up substantially
    in the rankings. An analysis of students on the margin of
    qualifying for a prestigious second stage exam provides evidence
    of a discouragement effect: some react to falling just short by
    dropping out of participating in future years, and this reaction
    is more common among girls.

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