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    Mommy2myEm #23232 08/19/08 03:49 PM
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    At 3, I think she probably needs read to more than she needs to read. I read very young, but still enjoyed being read to. I still fondly remember my 6th grade teacher reading "Johnny Tremain" to our class, that was 40+ years ago!
    Ren, since you & your husband read a lot, why not set aside family reading time where everyone reads to themselves. Maybe share an interesting passage from your books/magazines and encourage your daughter to do the same. Keep it short for her, and everyone stay in the same room. At other times, you can read to her.

    OHGrandma #23242 08/19/08 06:18 PM
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    I hesitate to post....As a mother of 4 avid readers, who are much older than seemingly 99% of the board users... I do have some advice.
    All four of my kids have tested gifted, and were/are still very advanced readers in high school. (The 3 that are hs age or older are placing out or finishing 2+ yrs of college before graduating hs). They have read beyond college level for years.

    All four have issues with processing skills, etc....twice exceptional. Reading could have been difficult/unfun for a couple of them, easy, yet all four of them list as their favorite thing to do as reading many times over. Punishing them is to take away a book they have started. And their favorite store is the local Border's, Barnes and Noble, thrift store, and univ bookstores.
    As an example, my 10th grade son I've written on other posts read every single fiction book in his school library last year, include classics like original English translation of The Count of Monte Cristo. He read many non-fiction books, too. He was reading piles of books a week, and the librarian commented how he never entered any of the reading reward programs. She rewarded him through ordering books early, so he'd have them when they were new, and ordering special interest books.
    Never, ever have I used incentives for any of my kids for schoolwork or reading.
    Why? Because it doesn't work long term.

    Here's a couple research links I found. Other research that will contradict is ultimately given/funded by the makers of AR, Pizza Hut, In N Out, etc...you just have to dig to prove it.

    http://www.alfiekohn.org/teaching/readingincentives.htm

    http://www.pscholtes.com/pscholtes/articles/incentiveprogramsareineffective.cfm

    It is basic psychology - based on Skinner. (extrinsic vs. intrinsic motivation).
    But to explain why I have seen almost every single eager friend/parent quell their child's love for reading, I offer you this...
    It is like veggies. If they know they have to be bribed because they are good for them, they won't eat them without the bribe...even if they feel like it tastes ok. Why eat something if you can hold out and get a treat for it or feel you "deserve" a treat for it from past experience?

    My advice for avid readers, who love reading more than anything, that ultimately helps with writing, comprehension, and independent learning is to:
    1) Read to them...always. Even if it's a short article when they are older. They love sitting and cuddling with a parent reading, and discussing it. As they get older, pass around the books to everyone and discuss...in the car, at dinner/breakfast, in the store, whenever. Include Dad. (He reads far more than me these days).
    2) Have them listen to stories on CD/tape or at storytelling festivals. My kids always liked Jim Weiss, but they also liked Hank the Cowdog, and some of the other unpredictable ones. When they want to read above their level, (I had a kid who was trying to read DeLaires Greek Mythology and struggled with the names), see if there is a recorded version so they can follow along with their finger, if they choose.
    3) Give them a dictionary, and teach them how to use it. My kids stick post-it notes in their books and look up words they don't know. This was taught by a teacher at school. Vocabulary = comprehension, especially if they connect the affixes. Comprehension helps them analyze deeper and make inferences, which makes reading more enjoyable.
    4) Provide only books that are worthy of their time. Learn about books/authors and quirky publishers. Also, don't make them feel they have to finish every book.
    5) Take them to the movie or musical of a book they have read or you have read together. We just did this with "Pride and Prejudice." It was amazing. We loved the music and thought the play really stuck to the book, making us love it even more. Also, author signings are great!
    6) Teach them how to choose a book that is the right reading level. They will read more and progress quicker that way. Don't push them to a higher level. They will get there!
    7) Discuss the differences between movie and book versions. What was your fav part in the book? the movie? Why? Why do you think they left that character out? What did you not like? etc. Share your opinions, too.
    8) Treat books with respect. Show them how to use them, to wash their hands, to never, ever allow a book on the floor, to place it properly on the shelf/nightstand and keep food/drinks away.
    9) Take them to the library/bookstore. Check out books with a holiday/birthday/season theme. Read the ones you buy every year as a family...especially Christmas. Making books as a meaningful tradition.
    10) Every once in a while (not too often - have them read the whole thing) treat them to pick a magazine in the grocery store to read. Ours has a kids' section, but as their interests grew they would pick a scientific one, sports, etc. Teach them how to pick one out (look at the cover stories/thumb through photos), how to find the 'Contents' page, and be sure to look at graphics and captions. If it is overwhelming, guide them to choose from three that you know are reputable. Then if they start hounding you, buy them a subscription as a gift. Make sure it is in their name only. They will be excited getting them in the mail.
    11)Limit or throw out the tv. Use the internet (United Streaming is great if you can get a subscription, as well as networks for news). Limit computers, games, etc. while they are young or until they have discovered books.

    jayne #23245 08/19/08 06:28 PM
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    Thank you, Jayne. Good advice.

    jayne #23246 08/19/08 06:31 PM
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    Great post, Jayne! As a former college English teacher, I salute you even harder than I would if I were only a mom! laugh

    ...And as a mom, I'm saluting pretty doggone hard!

    Though I admit, we don't have enough bookshelves for our books, so some do go on the floor. Lovingly stacked, though. Always lovingly stacked! wink


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    This is another good thread. Re: reading, DS6 recently went through a slack phase in fiction (he always reads non-fiction) and hid a book when I tried to give him assignments in it. So I backed off, and now we find him up in his room reading spontaneously. I think it's very difficult to find the right balance of nudging them a ways out of their comfort zone, and letting them self-direct.

    Related, I'm working with DS on math now, more because I think he needs how to learn with another person, than because he needs to learn math (math is a favorite non-fiction reading topic). Again, it's very hard to find the line that divides pushing him just a little to help him realize what he can do, and hothousing him.

    Re: rewards, I wrestle with this a lot, as I don't believe in them fundamentally, but once in a while they are such an easy short cut.


    fitzi #23272 08/19/08 07:43 PM
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    Jayne, well said, excellent advice.


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    That said I would appreciate any suggestions regarding perfectionism which worked for you. I found the book " Freeing Our Families from Perfectionism" really helpful

    Will do. I'll ask the same of you smile I haven't even read that book so I'm sure I can learn a lot from your experiences as well.

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    I don't know if it will work for your dc, but to push my ds into reading chapter books, I picked out a book I thought he'd like. I told him I'd read him a chapter every night. I read the chapter, left the book in his room, and by morning, he'd finished it. If I pick the right book it works.

    incogneato #23306 08/20/08 07:27 AM
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    Originally Posted by Jayne
    Provide only books that are worthy of their time

    I disagree. With a passion smile
    A smart child is not going to waist his/her time on a book that is not interesting to them. I am all for allowing kids to read what they absolutely feel like reading at the given moment.
    I trust that whatever my kids pick up will be worthy of their time. They need to read from variety of sources.

    Originally Posted by Jayne
    Also, don't make them feel they have to finish every book.

    Agree on this one smile

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    Thank you Jayne. That was an excellent post.

    There was a lot of great advice. She loves books, she is very inquisitive and that is the start I want for her. She reads and how she reads should be low priority.

    DD is one of those that when she is ready, she accelerates quickly. But when she is not ready, she will not be pushed. Like today, her swimming instructor told me that she wanted to practice opening her eyes under water and asked her to hold different number of fingers up so she could count. That is DD, not just open your eyes under water but create some exercise to push the task. Last week, she wasn't ready.

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    Wren #23321 08/20/08 10:37 AM
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    WHen I've used rewards for reading, when DS needed something to get him past seeing so many words on the page, his reward was to go to the bookstore and pick out a book either for him to read or for us to read to him.

    When we were in the doldrums finishing up his math curriculum for the year (I'm not confidant in the school's math curriculum), he got to pick something to celebrate finishing. We discussed the contribution each family member made to his goal of loving, learning, and finishing math (Dh earns money to buy the curriculum, I go over it w/ him, brother has to play quietly while DS does it) so he picks things for the whole family to enjoy such as dinner at a restaurant of his choosing, ice cream, remote controlled helicopter we all enjoy flying etc.

    So far I've not seen any negative effects from this. I'm definitely in the intrinsic motivation is better than external motivation camp. The school encouraged me to try an external motivators for DS to get his homework done...it worked somewhat but external motivators have never worked all that well for him and I have trouble remembering to do it and following through.

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