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    #190712 05/10/14 12:05 PM
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    Haven't been on here in forever (long, long, long story), but I can't imagine anyplace else I'd get much to work with on this one:

    My 5 yr old gifted/ASD crazy child who wants to be an inventor is in need of projects that I can walk (the f#$%) away from, for, you know, at least 30 seconds at a time.

    Mechano, not so much, because it takes him 3 seconds to loose all his screws and that makes him tantrum. Lego, similar.

    The crystal radio kit, on the other hand, he pretty much put together while I was trying to find the English section in the instructions, and then played with happily and safely for well over half an hour while I made a portrait of the cuteness.

    I think the ASD makes him better with more closed projects (make a radio vs make something with meccano), at least when I'm not there to scaffold, but there needs to be a fair bit of real content to hold his interest. Water filtration failed because he understood it almost immediately. Trying to understand the finer points of embedding data in radio-waves... that kept him going enough he could think it over after I went to get the camera. He's not awesome on the dexterity thing, but he can pull of feats-well-ahead-of-age if he only has to do it a few times and he cares enough. He follows Ikea instructions well (and with aspie-accuracy), but does not read yet.

    And GO!

    -Mike (the one with a thousand impossible questions)





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    snap circuits (probably the junior version would be better) and little bits are both great and you can walk away! both are pictures and letter coded.

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    Not sure if this would work but here it is anyway. Dd4.5 also loves to invent and build. Instead of buying expensive kits, we collected two build-a-bear boxes, other packaging boxes, toilet and kitchen paper roll tubes only, duct tape, and glue. No instructions- just have fun. Dd built a game with an incline in a box and cut a hole and made up a game where you roll the marble, make it roll back after hitting the edge of a box wall and fall into the hole- you win! It was pretty engaging even for adults. Then she built ( this one with my help) a long inclined tube, hid it in the box and you roll marble from one end to collect from another. She even taped a funnel to collect the marbles on the other end so clean up would be easy.
    I don't know if my post is even making any sense.

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    Originally Posted by Lovemydd
    Not sure if this would work but here it is anyway. Dd4.5 also loves to invent and build. Instead of buying expensive kits, we collected two build-a-bear boxes, other packaging boxes, toilet and kitchen paper roll tubes only, duct tape, and glue. No instructions- just have fun. Dd built a game with an incline in a box and cut a hole and made up a game where you roll the marble, make it roll back after hitting the edge of a box wall and fall into the hole- you win! It was pretty engaging even for adults. Then she built ( this one with my help) a long inclined tube, hid it in the box and you roll marble from one end to collect from another. She even taped a funnel to collect the marbles on the other end so clean up would be easy.
    I don't know if my post is even making any sense.

    Ditto. My kids do a lot with cardboard tubes and boxes. They often get frustrated with duct tape, so blue painter's tape is our go-to sticky stuff. Plus they can use it on the walls without me throwing a fit.

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    The paper rolls and stuff fail because there's not enough outside input. He's extremely creative within certain bounds, but there needs to be some pretty solid structure.

    Do snap-circuits come with project books?


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    How are the fine motor skills? The larger K'nex sets have instructions...

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    I feel your pain. Our ODS has been similar at times, in that he is not particularly interested in anything that requires instructions or seems like it would be more fun with an adult around. Lots of failed toys/guides sitting on shelves around here.

    Does he like building? We have had continued success with MagnaTiles and with the large wooden building blocks (DS is now 7 and has enjoyed both for years.) Legos really only started to be fun for him in the last six or seven months. Something was too frustrating (without us there to help him recreate the picture on the box) until he was ready.

    Snapcircuits worked well. The big K'nex rollercoaster is mostly in the box still...

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    Lego makes a brick separator, btw, that helps a kid whose brain is ahead of his hands be successful independently. If you have two of them you can break apart most anything.

    http://www.amazon.com/Lego-Building-Accessories-BRICK-SEPARATOR/dp/B000L7IEVE



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    Sorry, to clarify: DS needs instructions. He can't organize himself without them. Legos don't work because once he's built the model once, he gets stuck & can't get unstuck without help.

    I guess I'm thinking more like "Try building an XXXXX" or "there's this great kit for making a XXXX" One-offs, not so much open ended toys, he can't really manage those without me.


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    Erector set has tons of individual projects in one kit, some motorized. The nuts and bolts are a bit small, but once the handling is down, projects go smoothly. I'd hazard to guess there are many online resources for additional things to build.

    Scratch for programming can fill the same brain space; also videos of different progams to do. The nice thing with programming, is he can explore a few variables here and there to get a sense of experimenting without the same sort of load Legos or trying to freeform with an Erector set does.

    My DS was mixed on Snap circuits, really liked them around 4 or 5.

    On Amazon search for Erector Super Construction Set 25 models

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    There are books full of stuff to make from Lego's.

    http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Ideas-Book-Daniel-Lipkowitz/dp/0756686067

    http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Play-Book-Ideas-Bricks/dp/1465414126

    Klutz has a book

    http://www.klutz.com/book/Lego-Crazy-Action-Contraptions

    I might look for books of idea/projects. I found that science "kits" one can find are usually very simple, and what one is paying for is just the instructions and the convince of having all the parts already at hand. On the other hand books of idea's, that have different projects to make out of household stuff.

    Your son might really like Maker Fair. http://makerfaire.com/ My son isn't that interested but I know a number of elementary boys who really LOVE it. They have a magazine. http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol38#pg1


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    Does he like to draw? Maybe a stack of graph paper and some pencils could keep him occupied (or at least give you a break) for a few minutes?

    Is origami too open ended (or not kit-like enough)?

    I'll second Snap Circuits; they do come with instruction booklets, and shouldn't require reading to put the circuits together.

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    We have been there. I tried (but did not succeed) to have the student included in advanced classes (regular, school year or summertime). We have found that, in general, it might just not be feasible for these children to be accommodated to match their level. We are still working on this ourselves.

    If your child can get help now from your school district, could you somehow work these special projects into an individualized educational plan?

    It seems those types of projects happen at the middle school level. In elementary school, one project might go over an entire year working slowly as a whole group. If your child is social, it will be mainly a social experience.

    The pace can be mind-numbing. Maybe another family has been more successful.

    You are doing all of the right things, but, yes, there is no time to do all of the other things that have to get done to keep the family / household-as-a-whole running. So, we just explained to everyone that our child loved special projects and that we were being commandeered to work for this child. The good news is you will likely always have a job position at your child's future mega-corporation. I find humor helps me the most. Don't expect anyone in your near vicinity to really understand.

    If you have any DIY projects on your family list, engage your child to be the designer, architect, mathematician, etc. It is not too soon, these kids are ready to GO, GO, GO!

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    Snap circuits are fantastic! They have tons of projects per kit and, yes, there are instructions.

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    My first thought was Snap circuits! And after that the Snap Circuit Brand ELENCO have a HUGE range of kits. Including the models of Da Vinci's inventions. You can buy directly from their website. (Unless you are in South Africa - then please buy from me... lol)


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    Thanks for all the suggestions.

    (He's in school now, this is not for the school, this is for us at home. He is not challenged academically at school, but he _is_ challenged.)


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    Okay-- let me see if I can find the thing that we got for DD at about this age--


    WEDGITS. Well, that's what they are called now.

    These work like, well-- like three-dimensional tangrams, that's about the best description I can think of.

    http://www.amazon.com/ImagAbility-3..._t_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1E2RC019X3MGFBEKVXDN

    http://www.amazon.com/WEDGiTS-Delux...sg_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0HX7K7VJNZZAT73XWK14

    I like the fact that they store kind of like modern art, rather than like a "toy" of some sort-- in fact, we still have DD's set sitting on an end table in the living room. They are sort of irresistable.

    The cards that show assembly remind me very much of IKEA instructions, actually. LOL!

    The other thing I was going to suggest...

    A marble run set. Yup-yup-yup. DD played endlessly with one of those, trying all kinds of different things even though her dexterity was (as you noted) often not sufficient to play with more demanding things, she could still tinker with physics and classical mechanics concepts using the modular components that come in those sets.

    We eventually had a magnetic version that lived on our dishwasher for many years, and it too is still in the house-- on her steel desk.


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    Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
    A marble run set. Yup-yup-yup. DD played endlessly with one of those, trying all kinds of different things...

    We bought the Quadrilla Twist set recently and DS is loving it.

    What about searching YouTube for construction project videos, choosing a DIY project, sourcing materials, and following through. He might like woodworking, in particular, and there are lots of maker shops around that supply the tools. Wood is such a versatile material, and I remember the pride I felt as a child building real things to use, like a desk and a stool for at the counter. Heck, as an adult, I'm proud of some custom furniture DH and I designed and built together when we were first married.

    He could also buy an old junker bicycle and fix it up.


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    Originally Posted by Portia
    We let DS disassemble anything that breaks in the house - TV (old version), microwave, radio, etc.


    Danger, Will Robinson! In our house, that rule would result in surreptitious intentional breakage.

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