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    Today our 504 meeting ended with the accommodations of headphones as needed, extra testing time if needed, chill out breaks, clear instruction and social stories for next year.
    The teacher says our ds is last to hang up his coat etc. he is doing great on finishing his work at a good pace even rapidly. Concentration is fairly good. It's hard to tell but I think the extremely busy, crowded room and sensory info is causing the most problem. Hoping based on the info I provided the next classroom will be more minimal. I handed out about 50 pages of info on heavy work activities, sensory processing issues, and gifted characteristics in combo/contrast with ADHD characteristics.

    A friend in the district encouraged me to keep an open mind. That the teachers want to help but are overwhelmed with huge class sizes.

    I often feel like our ds has no chance at long term happy social relationships. I actually feel since we started kindergarten the social skills have regressed. Even as a parent his disposition and anger/frustration at times can be challenging. His impatience for want to interupt and not wait his turn. And his moods can change so rapidly. I know hunger plays an issue but the kid is sooooo intense.

    I think his frustration and anger is worse this year because he feels less understood. He recognizes he doesn't have many friends. He recognizes he doesn't fit in. However he can't see that his poor social choices are somewhat to blame. And instead of the teachers trying to help mend the poor social interactions and stepping in to advise he is encouraged to stay away from certain groups, making him further segregated and giving him less practice on working through the issues. I know she means well, and that the other kids think our ds is mean. And from the outside I can understand that perception. I always thought kids like our ds were mean before I had him. Now I understand his poor judgement and his impairment in empathy and understanding social rules.

    I just know so many individuals with ADHD that have carried that anger/tell at everyone attitude into adulthood and it isn't pretty. Praying maturity helps.

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    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    Today our 504 meeting ended with the accommodations of headphones as needed, extra testing time if needed, chill out breaks, clear instruction and social stories for next year.

    That all sounds useful.

    Only you can tell whether you want to press for direct instruction in social skills to be delivered by the school. In your shoes, I would absolutely consider pushing for it.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    The teacher says our ds is last to hang up his coat etc.

    Some kids do well with a small checklist of "to-dos" when entering/leaving the classroom.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    A friend in the district encouraged me to keep an open mind. That the teachers want to help but are overwhelmed with huge class sizes.

    Or they do not completely understand the nature of the challenges your DS faces.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    I often feel like our ds has no chance at long term happy social relationships. I actually feel since we started kindergarten the social skills have regressed.

    Or other kids matured around him. We had this with DS11, and it was really painful to watch. He'd make great developmental leaps, and yet the other kids would leap still further.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    Even as a parent his disposition and anger/frustration at times can be challenging. His impatience for want to interupt and not wait his turn. And his moods can change so rapidly.

    I recall your DS doesn't have an ASD diagnosis, but this is all very reminiscent of my DS11, who does.

    There are ways of working on building these skills. You may want to read up on ABA therapy and see if it seems appropriate. Many of the principles can be implemented at home by parents, though we found it very useful to have a therapist (BCBA) directing our program.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    And instead of the teachers trying to help mend the poor social interactions and stepping in to advise he is encouraged to stay away from certain groups, making him further segregated and giving him less practice on working through the issues.

    That's a problem. I'd be inclined to have the school write a behavior plan (to attach to the 504) that specifies (a) what school staff are required to do to prep DS in advance for challenging situations and (b) how they are to debrief him if he messes up. He needs to be told in the immediate aftermath what he did wrong and given the words to use that will work next time, as well as how to make amends and apologize properly. These skills are teachable and very important.

    They could also be working with scripts to build up a repertoire of acceptable things to say or do when he's frustrated.

    Originally Posted by hnz1979
    I know she means well, and that the other kids think our ds is mean.

    One reason I would want school to be handling this better is that kids can learn to understand your DS's social needs, because they will model on the teachers-- but if the teachers just want him away from everyone, the students will want that too. I find that unacceptable.

    HTH, hang in there,
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    Everything DeeDee just said. All of that is so true for our DS11 (also with ASD diagnosis).

    And maturity does help, but I don't think it would have helped a lot without all the social skills assistance we got from the school. It sounds like you're on the right track, but you'll have to keep at them.



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