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    Agreed. (Where's that "like" button?? wink )

    I see this all the time where I live, as well-- it's a function of having a large university and a major regional medical center-- and a high tech company. Lots of engineers (which tend to be an Aspie-enriched group, in my experience) and also lots of gifties (specialist physicians and faculty).

    The two groups are WAY different from one another socially, but the difference isn't in their level of specialty interest-- it is instead in the level of adaptability to conversation. The gifties can give proper social signals in response to boring drivel that they could care less about, and refrain from discussing the stuff that they are actually interested in... and the Aspies (mostly) cannot.

    Most people really don't have very good communication skills. This actually makes things far harder on Aspies than it should be, IMO. Come to that, it makes life harder on everyone else, too.






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    Originally Posted by HowlerKarma
    The two groups are WAY different from one another socially, but the difference isn't in their level of specialty interest-- it is instead in the level of adaptability to conversation. The gifties can give proper social signals in response to boring drivel that they could care less about, and refrain from discussing the stuff that they are actually interested in... and the Aspies (mostly) cannot.

    It took me some time to figure out that the best approach in the law firm world was just to keep my mouth shut.

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    Originally Posted by ellemenope
    Apples-- In your thread the other day I voiced my opinion that I did not believe your DD to necessarily be speech delayed, but I guess I was in the minority. I also believed that by its definition in the DSM IV a child with a speech delay could not be diagnosed with Asperger's. But, then I cam across this,

    Asperger's and delayed speech

    which claims 50% of kids with Asperger's were speech delayed. So, now I'm just confused. I really thought Asperger's was characterized by advanced early speech.

    Also in the article linked above they mentioned gestures. I thought that might interest you.

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    Between 12 and 24 months, reasons for concern include a youngster who:

    • has difficulty understanding simple verbal requests
    • has trouble imitating sounds by 18 months
    • isn't using gestures, such as pointing or waving bye-bye by 12 months
    • prefers gestures over vocalizations to communicate by 18 months

    Of course, then there is the new DSM coming out next spring that is supposed to roll Aspergers into a general ASD diagnosis. FWIW I did not like the blog post. I just took it as one individual's account of living with Asperger's. It is not diagnostic criteria. I'd much prefer to read the DSM.

    Hmm. Interesting. I feel it is kind of our fault she went with gestures, since I bought all 30+ Signing Time DVDs as she mastered them. But we haven't watched them in months.

    A week ago she said "Daddy" pretty clearly. She also tried to say Elmo (elwo) and Barney (Bar-nee, Bardue) She's been making more sounds that sound like words - she's never "jabbered" before - but they don't really sound like words. She keeps saying "Bah-due" for mommy, but she says "Mo" for "No", and says M makes the Mmmm sound, so I'm not sure why she can't do the M in mommy. Maybe I need to check her hearing again.

    We're getting her lip tie looked at this week and will probably get it fixed at the end of the month. She could also have posterior tongue tie. For all I know, she'll start talking after that.

    I just spent some time looking at milestones on the PBS website, and she's a solid 3 year old - even doing some things 4 and 5 year olds typically do... but her speech seems to be very delayed. Her speech has been lagging since she was an infant, though.

    I'm hoping I'm just worrying too much and she'll just start talking in the next 2-3 months.

    The main red flags are some toe walking, sometimes seeming to ignore us or not pay attention to us when we call her name, and her speech. Her obsession with jigsaw puzzles right now is not age appropriate, but it's probably fine...

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    Originally Posted by islandofapples
    [quote]Between 12 and 24 months, reasons for concern include a youngster who:

    • prefers gestures over vocalizations to communicate by 18 months

    This was my two. Exactly.

    Originally Posted by islandofapples
    We're getting her lip tie looked at this week and will probably get it fixed at the end of the month. She could also have posterior tongue tie. For all I know, she'll start talking after that.

    This could be the entire issue - an anatomical road block.

    A friend of mine had a newborn who couldn't latch - she tried and tried - all the nurses in the hospital missed the fact that the baby was tongue tied and it took an independent lactation consultant to figure it out.

    I'm really curious to see where this goes for your DD - I would think lip and/or tongue ties could really impact speech.

    Good luck smile

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    Originally Posted by CCN
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    Between 12 and 24 months, reasons for concern include a youngster who:

    • prefers gestures over vocalizations to communicate by 18 months

    This was my two. Exactly.

    Originally Posted by islandofapples
    We're getting her lip tie looked at this week and will probably get it fixed at the end of the month. She could also have posterior tongue tie. For all I know, she'll start talking after that.

    This could be the entire issue - an anatomical road block.

    A friend of mine had a newborn who couldn't latch - she tried and tried - all the nurses in the hospital missed the fact that the baby was tongue tied and it took an independent lactation consultant to figure it out.

    I'm really curious to see where this goes for your DD - I would think lip and/or tongue ties could really impact speech.

    Good luck smile

    I will update when we do it! I've heard some good stories about fixing these things and having toddlers start talking right away, but not everyone believes that lip ties really affect speech much.

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    Originally Posted by Cricket2
    One of the major things that stands out to me in differentiating btwn say, my oldest dd who is HG and an introvert, and a gifted girl with Aspergers is the social naivete, mostly what the blogger lists as trait #2.

    The girl I know who is 2e with Aspergers is not only socially awkward, she seems unaware that she is saying or doing things that make her appear odd and is hurt when it is pointed out and becomes defensive. She is very, very naive and seems much younger than her age as well. I don't see my HG kids as appearing younger than their ages. They may appear different in some ways, but if anything, they appear older than their ages.


    Yes. I have heard, from Gods know what source over the years, that socially Aspies tend to run 2/3 to 3/4 their chronological age. And I will say that if I look at my 14yo PG Aspie daughter as an 11yo who was skipped a few times and landed in high school before her time, she looks/acts/sounds far more the part.
    Otherwise, I would concur with DeeDee. Take blog posts (and board posts) as seriously as you would playground mom anecdotes, and consult a pedi neuropsych if you're really wondering.


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