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One question that I thought was interesting that the initial psychiatrist asked my son that I thought was interesting: Do you have racing thoughts, where you just can't seem to quiet your mind? When my son said he did, the next question was the one I found interesting - are there a lot of different thoughts and ideas fighting for attention where it is hard to pay attention to any of them or is it one thought that just won't stop - if this then this then that, etc.
My son said it was the latter - a thought that led to more what-if thoughts all in a single line.
The psychiatrist said that the multiple thoughts is one indicator of ADHD, the latter not so much. Hi, ABQMom, I would really like to take DD to someone like this--who seems to be making a determination based on their own experience and expertise (for example, rather than relying on questionnaires from the present teachers who don't like or get DD or giftedness--as did the local psych who did DD's last evaluation--and she didn't seem to know anything about giftedness). We are looking at having DD re-evaluated by an expert and I would really like to find one like this--do you think that any of the people recommended by Davidson would do this kind of eval, or do I need to screen them somehow? And our insurance coverage is so poor that I think we'll end up paying for it all anyway, so I want to get it right this time--and I really want to know, so I can start being more emphatic about what DD does and doesn't 'have'. If you feel like posting or PMing me their name, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Dbat
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One question that I thought was interesting that the initial psychiatrist asked my son that I thought was interesting: Do you have racing thoughts, where you just can't seem to quiet your mind? When my son said he did, the next question was the one I found interesting - are there a lot of different thoughts and ideas fighting for attention where it is hard to pay attention to any of them or is it one thought that just won't stop - if this then this then that, etc.
My son said it was the latter - a thought that led to more what-if thoughts all in a single line.
The psychiatrist said that the multiple thoughts is one indicator of ADHD, the latter not so much. Hi, ABQMom, I would really like to take DD to someone like this--who seems to be making a determination based on their own experience and expertise (for example, rather than relying on questionnaires from the present teachers who don't like or get DD or giftedness--as did the local psych who did DD's last evaluation--and she didn't seem to know anything about giftedness). We are looking at having DD re-evaluated by an expert and I would really like to find one like this--do you think that any of the people recommended by Davidson would do this kind of eval, or do I need to screen them somehow? And our insurance coverage is so poor that I think we'll end up paying for it all anyway, so I want to get it right this time--and I really want to know, so I can start being more emphatic about what DD does and doesn't 'have'. If you feel like posting or PMing me their name, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Dbat I PM'd you his contact info
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Thanks very much, ABQMom! It turns out this apparently astute psychiatrist is out West; anyone have a recommendation for someone who does this kind of evaluation on the East Coast (or near D.C.)? I mean an evaluation based on their own expertise rather than on questionnaires from others (although I don't mind if they ask us some questions--just not DD's current teachers  I know the Hoagie's list and have some names from the Davidson people, which was helpful, but I would like to find somebody who has really worked well for someone with a kid like our DD8. Possible diagnoses include ADD, Asperger's, ODD, and dysgraphia (I believe the dysgraphia, but having read the Misdiagnosis book by James Webb don't think DD meets the criteria for any of the others--although behavior is certainly an issue). She scores high on math and VCI, lower on coding and tests involving handwriting, so her GAI is significantly higher than her FSIQ. If only I could get her to behave!!
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Very interesting thread, I need to check out the link that Grinity posted as well.
ABQMom, Could you PM me the info as well?
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Thought I'd throw in our experiences. DD was dx'd with CAPD,dysgraphia, SI issues,reading dyslexia, vision issues etc. We spent thousands and thousands of dollars on various therapies with marginal results.Her memory was fabulous..in fact she was able to fool her piano teacher for 5 years into thinking she could actually read the music . However what she did memorize was the number sequence for each hand and hit the wall with a sonatina. Fast forward to post-bac and she was dx'd with ADHD. All the CAPD , dysgraphia, SI issues, reading dyslexia etc. disappeared while on ADHD meds. NO ONE of the plethora of gifted psych's, neurologists etc ever even gave us a whiff of ADHD. I just ran across her original neuropsych report yesterday and upon reading it I was flabbergasted, because with what I know now about ADHD all the red flags were there and waving. We were real lucky to have a specialist in ADHD who understood how the HG+ ADHD person presents and it is not like the mainstream picture of ADHD. Dr. Thomas brown out of Yale has pretty much dedicated his practice and research to HG+ ADHD and his research papers are online.http://www.drthomasebrown.com/ The face of ADHD is changing as they learn more about the neurobiology. Nadeau and Quinn have also been involved in gifted ADHD plus have been leaders in the field with women. Nadeau has quite a few articles on gifted and ADHD especially as it pertains to secondary education when many of those kids hit the wall.http://chesapeakeadd.com/adhd-articles/ DD told me yesterday that her brain is a series of relational databases with an exquisite VLOOKUP and then went onto tell me that her brain was also like a very messy desktop on the pc with every program open and once she takes her adderall it's a "snap to grid" and she can easily access all that she needs.  Finally Our ADHD doc was telling us that the majority of his patients are HG+(doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs)plus quite a few professors and he flat out said ADHD is the wiring issue of the HG+ and once you harness the tremendous brain power you can soar. Kristine
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My main annoyance with that article was the opening sentence and what was not said. The authors of the research paper that reported the 66% rise also said that they attributed that increase to better awareness by physician's. Frances Kaufman published this study in 2001 that did a synthesis of the research on ADHD and the gifted. http://www.sengifted.org/archives/a...d-gifted-students-what-do-we-really-know"n recent years, several authors (Baum, Olenchak, & Owen, 1998; Cramond, 1995; Freed & Parsons, 1997; Lind, 1993; Tucker & Hafenstein, 1997; Webb & Latimer, 1993) have expressed concern that giftedness is often misconstrued as ADHD and that the diagnosis of ADHD among the gifted population has run amok. We acknowledge for the purposes of this discussion that there are cases of mistaken diagnosis, although as of this writing, we have found no empirical data in the medical, educational, or psychological literature to substantiate the extent of this concern. The lack of scientific data heightens our dismay over the wave of skepticism that appears to prevail about the existence of ADHD in gifted children" When SENG launched their new campaign in January they said that due to recent research and literature that it was their opinion that ADHD was being mis-diagnosed in GT kids. I wrote to them starting in March asking for a list of the research and literature that led them to this opinion since I could find nothing new since Kaufman's paper in 2001.I did finally hear back after multiple email requests and was advised they are gathering the sources- I'm still waiting to hear back. 
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Thanks for posting all of that, Kristine!
I saw and liked the video Grinity posted; thought it was great about ADHD, but was a little puzzled about why they mentioned autism because I thought they only mentioned it in passing and didn't really discuss the *mis*diagnosis issues. But a great start, and it's wonderful that people are working on this for gifted kids.
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