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    It's slow, but I told my son - everytime you learn, but don't practice, you will forget. But the good news is that you will learn more easily next time, and hold on to it longer without practice, and each time you relearn, it will go in better.

    I know it seems hopeless, but please don't be discouraged. Perhaps a 'time capsule' to be able to judge what can be done today and compare to 6 months from now.

    I also think that sometimes a kids learns a wrong fact, and then has to foget it before he can learn the right one.

    Maybe to go back a step to practice skip counting by 2s and don't work on 7*2 for a day or a week. It worries me that he doesn't have a 'seat of the pants' feeling for odd v. even numbers. Although 7 is so 'ultra-odd' that I wonder if he doesn't give 13 as the answer because 13 is another 'ultra-odd' number.

    Is he better with 2*7?

    I used to have messy writing as a kid. One of the reasons my Math sheets looked extra messy, is that I got the idea in my mind that an 8 should be twice as big as a 4 which should be twice as big as a 2. So basically, digits have personalities for me - the odd numbers vaugely male, and the even numbers vaugely female. I wonder if you DS has his own meanings of digits that are interfering with his learning of math facts.

    Come to think of it, 7 and 13 should be related in some fashion!

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    Wow grinity, are you some kind of god or what ???
    A very interesting answer once again ... I will think about all this with DW.
    Actually, 7 and 13 are succesive prime numbers ... I did not realize that ... I guess it is just pure coincidence ...
    Anyway, we never succeeded in making him count by step of two. HE is defenitely not confortable with the odd an even concept.

    Speaking of dislexia, my son's therapist also tols us that dyslexic kids usually have a lot of problem learning multiplication facts. I will take a look to the story-based flashcards (I hope it exists in French too ...) because I tried Anki today, but he found it no fun.


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    Originally Posted by raoulpetite
    Actually, 7 and 13 are succesive prime numbers ... I did not realize that ... I guess it is just pure coincidence ...

    uh.... laugh eek crazy


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    Well, I am wrong. 7 and 13 are just prime numbers, not successive. 11 is prime too ... AS long as DS does not give me 17 instead of 18 for 2*9 ...
    ANyway, it is still quite strange, since at the beginning of his learning, there was no problem with 7*2 and 2*7 being 14. It turns noww to be invariabily 13 since a month or so. It has probably something to do with dyslexia.

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    Are you only doing "2-D"/flat/static (whichever word you prefer) type things for the multiplication? A multi-sensory or 3-D ideas might help if you haven't tried that. With my DD it helps for her to see the equation on a card or PC screen, but then make her own groupings with lego pieces or abacus etc. the association of real objects seems to help lock in the fact.

    Maybe somewhere in this document there are some ideas? Or another doc on the site.

    Enseignement
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    Simultané
    http://www.dyslexiaassociation.ca/francais/files/ems_f.pdf
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    merci beaucoup bzylzy .. I will check those links and doc.

    Today, I made Star Wars Characters Anki flashcards which I merge with multiplication tables ... I do not know if it makes him learn those facts better but at least it makes it more attentive (let's say less bored). DW found it a bad idea to mixed things.

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    I don't know French.  I think this is the seven times table in French song.
    Google "youtube + Chanson de multiplication"



    I'm using this song in English.




    My son can do this "skip-counting" with a number line.  (babel fish) Saut comptant utilisant une ligne de nombre.

    http://www.homeschoolmath.net/teaching/md/multiplication-number-line.php

    And here's schoolhouse rock in English showing skip-counting on your fingers.



    My son seems to be memorizing his addition facts by using addition to add larger numbers and money.  I guess the multiplication will be the same.  So next I will have him start filling in the "multiplication charts" on grid paper.  He knows several skip counting.  And doing the number line skip counting has given him the size of the numbers he's counting.  Then after he's filled in a few of the charts for a while I'll show him how to use the charts to do multi-digit multiplication.    I read online that they should be very solid with place value and multi-digit addition before multiplying the bigger numbers.  I read about this stuff a whole lot more than I teach this stuff, lol.  So I can know the next step. 


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    Actually, DS has problems with skip-counting even by steps of two. I think that we should probably get back to skip counting before multiplication as you suggest.


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    Raoulpetite...Try it with the multi-sensory (or other mixed) approach. Alot of people like your DW don't take well to this, but a linear approach is not the best for non-linear thinkers!

    Your DW should try doing a jigsaw puzzle with my DD - she would probably find it very stressful! But DD's methods work wonders for her when she's allowed to follow that path.

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    I still think of multiplication rock - and those football players running 3,6,9. It helps.

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