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I have a 6 y.o DS who is HG, and I suspect my 4 year old daughter has similar leanings. However, she seems to hide it. For example, she had a five year old girlfriend over to play a few days ago, and when this girl said, ohh, I don't like to read, so did my DD! I already feel like she is confused as to what she thinks she should be interested in. How early does it all start, with girls thinking it is not cool to be smart? I guess I'm just thinking aloud, not really looking for an answer

I'm a mother of boys, so I don't know specifically about girls, but my now 5 yo boy was definately starting to hide a bit around other children at 4 years old. I really noticed it in play. Alone, he would play elaborate make believe games with plots etc. With children his age, he would run around like crazy and just roar. He is my oldest, too.

So I guess I'm saying, it wouldn't surprise me at all if she was getting that message somehow.

I wonder what you do about it, though? I guess it depends on the child. In my case, I have been trying to expose my DS to other children who are perhaps more l;ike him, and older children too, so that he starts to feel like it is ok to be who he is.

This is an old article by Linda Silverman but she describes the phenomenon that you describe -- gifted girls going underground at a very young age. I believe that this link is still good.
http://www.jeffcopublicschools.org/programs/gifted_talented/where_have_all_the_girls_gone.pdf

This is very interesting. My second child is a daughter (first born ds10 is the only id gifted one right now). She is extremely social at home and at school. I wonder, how can you tell if a girl is gifted if they've gotten so good at pretending they're not? I've heard on this board "test one, test them all" but if I brought it up to my dd8's school, they'd think I was nuts. Dd8 has always been "right on" in school.

The funny thing is that when we meet people for the first time, more often than not, they think dd8 is my oldest child. She is much more socially mature and well spoken than the actual oldest child!! She really gets a kick out of that!

Knute, great link, thanks. My daughter is much happier to read to me and talk about math now that it is summer and she doesn't have preschool! She is also mostly interested in playing with her brother ... Long, complex games of good and evil, big life themes. She hasn't asked much about the gaggle of preschool girls she ran with last year, but we have had a few over for playdates, which she seems to mildly enjoy but not talk much about afterwards.

Jeez, never thought I would be seriously considering homeschooling! No offense to homeschoolers, just never thought it would be on my radar. I really want her to learn to be proud of her smarts and skills, though.

great article, thanks for posting. I saw my dd5 in the description of girls, so this makes me feel better about continuing to consider keeping her one-year-ahead instead of going back to K in the fall.

(I also saw my ds10 in the description of the boy, hanging on the periphery of the playground thinking his own big thoughts. )

Dd does seem 'bossy', but I will keep her little leadership potential in mind next time I am see this sort of thing; Folks have mentioned how she'll make a great ceo, and I always think, yeah, or Commander of the Pacific Fleet! She is pretty hard core.

DD13 learned to read at 4. She had a friend who as families we were really close. When the friend and her mother came over my DD went to read to her. The friend freaked out, wanted nothing to do with DD reading to her. DD stopped reading for a while. The funny thing is that four year old friend is very dyslexic and I have wondered if the reaction was somehow related to that.

DD2.9 learned her letters and at about 20 months was really into X. She had figured out how to write it etc. We went over to a friends house who was painting. The other little girl was making scribbles and then declaring them to be things such as cats etc. My little one painted an awkward X. The other little girl asked what it was. My little one answered, "Just Painting." I could not believe at 20 odd months that she was hiding what she was doing.....

I don't know, it should be an interesting battle at our house! I have to constantly talk to DS8 about calling DD5 "stupid". She can read now, although she still guesses on unfamiliar words, but he thinks she should have known 3 years ago like he did at her age. It's hard for him, because practically everybody is "stupid" compared to him, so he can't see that she is really a pretty smart girl. She just isn't on his level, but he doesn't know anybody who is. I'm hoping that at least this will translate into her trying to show how smart she is, rather than hiding it, but that could lead to a whole different can of worms if she's always trying to catch up to brother who is not only on a different level but also 4 years older. She seems pretty oblivious to it all so far, which might be the best course.

This was a big part of our decision to homeschool too. When I saw DS hiding his abilities in a playgroup, I thought how much worse it would be in a more structured classroom. I don't think every child has this problem, but mine certainly did.

The thing I wonder - is how are you supposed to tell what is "hiding" at school and what is just achieving less due to being distracted by processing more? Does that make sense? Is my gifted DD's handwriting so much better at home because she is dumbing down at preschool or because she's just more interested in getting it over and moving on to something more interesting (the sand pit)? Of course she's more interested in the sandpit at preschool because the puzzles are years too easy for her. I just don't know whether to worry or not. And I really don't know what to make of DD either. She just seems so "normal" to me... is she pretending? Is she just a really easy going kid who's not that interested in academic pursuit?