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#134755 - 07/27/12 11:25 PM Re: One child is gifted - do I get the other retested? [Re: tillamook]
tillamook Offline
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Registered: 07/20/12
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Originally Posted By: tillamook
Originally Posted By: Dottie
I'm confused. What testing was used for the first child? Was it an actual IQ test? Or year end achievement testing? While a 99th percentile on achievement testing is a great accomplishment, it's not measuring the same things as an IQ test. I'm not saying this is so, but you could have two bright kids, with one performing better.

Does your school offer services that are worth testing for in 6th grade? If so, then I would probably persue further testing. If it's just for curiosity, you might consider full blown IQ testing for both children.

Best wishes!


Hi Dottie,

The test used was a modified IQ test - as far as I understand it. It's based on Cartell Horn Carrell theory (which I hear is the way things are going). It had 3 components (well 7 but they only used 3 in this version) crystallized knowledge, fluid reasoning and visual processing. I asked them how it translated into an IQ score and they explained that people aren't using IQ scores any more (this in spite of the fact that it's all I see everywhere on the internet). In any case it is based on the same elements as IQ tests. I hope that helps. I'm not sure if the previous test (the one my older son took) was an IQ based test or an achievement test. I know that it had a writing component which many agree can create a biased score.

Thoughts?


I have just looked up the previous test (the one my older son took) and it was an achievement test not an IQ test. That might explain him being missed. That gives me more conviction to pursue further testing within the school system. I'm glad you asked that question.
The test my youngest son took is the test I describe above.

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#134756 - 07/27/12 11:25 PM Re: One child is gifted - do I get the other retested? [Re: Grinity]
tillamook Offline
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Originally Posted By: Grinity
I'd strongly recommend reading the Eidie's http://dyslexicadvantage.com/
book. They talk about 'non-linear' thinkers in a much broader way than the classic 'Right brain thinkers/VS learners' model. They stress that the key is 'global v. detail' thinkers - and adding that some global thinkers are strongly visual, and some are not. The ones who are strongly global but not visual turn out to be our weak spellers who suffer over the math fact memorization. This fits me well, not sure if it fits the rest of the world, but a useful book I think.


Thanks for that - I'm going to look into it.

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#134757 - 07/27/12 11:27 PM Re: One child is gifted - do I get the other retested? [Re: DMA]
tillamook Offline
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Originally Posted By: DMA
The characteristics you mentioned sound like my son, who is gifted/LD. The list you posted sounds like a list from Dyslexic Advantage for a child with Stealth Dyslexia. Many of the characteristics also show up on other Dyslexia sites.

I am going to echo the other posters - please get your son tested privately. We did private pyscho-educational testing in order to get an IEP, extended time on tests and the use of a computer for writing essays. This really helps with his writing, and an area that was a weakness is turning into a strength as ds gets older.

Some of the group testing instruments miss gifted/LD kids because they may think differently or don't work fast enough to finish. My school board did some research on a number of group tests and decided to keep administering the WISC-4 in order to identify the gifted kids, because of the high number of false negatives on the group tests.


I just looked up stealth dyslexia. That is interesting! I'll discuss that with the tester if we go ahead with private testing - which it seems we should. Thanks!

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#134760 - 07/28/12 05:51 AM Re: One child is gifted - do I get the other retested? [Re: tillamook]
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I love the concepr of stealth dyslexia but my understanding is that few tester will even have heard of it. There are a few concepts that are quite useful and true that aren't widely understood. Readiness to learn levels, levels of giftedness and bottlenecks are 3 others that come to mind.
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#134924 - 07/31/12 10:14 PM Re: One child is gifted - do I get the other retested? [Re: tillamook]
tillamook Offline
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Registered: 07/20/12
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Thank you everyone for your comments. I'm particularly curious about stealth dyslexia now that I've read more about it.

I've just booked a private assessment for late October. Hopefully we'll come out with some useful information.

Thanks again for your insight(s).

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