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Hi, we're considering applying to this program for our son (5 yrs. old). I'm just wondering if anyone has used their services and what your experiences have been. It seems to be a fairly lengthy application process plus the fee for another test (we had an IQ test, would need to pay for an Achievement Test).
Just wondering if it's worth it, any feedback would be great!
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Shop around for the Achievement tests - they don't have to be given by a psychologist, and that lowers the cost -
YSP gives an opening to a social group for your kids that is hard to beat. The email lists for parents are fun and educational. If you have the IQ scores, try the portfolio option, or shop around for an Achievement test.
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Might there be a possibilty your school would do the testing and take care of the expense?
Our experience has been wonderful guidance with trying to get more appropriate education. This was very helpful because it let me know we needed to get into another school.
I would send in application with the portfolio and see what happens.
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Thanks for the responses. He's only five and still in preschool, so they won't cover the expense. As for a portfolio, not much there since he's just learning to write. I could video tape him reading or doing math problems, but I'm not so sure it would be substantial enough. I could also shop around for achievement tests, but he had such a good rapport w/the psychologist who administered his IQ test.
We were informed during his kindergarten registration that the district does not have a gifted program at all. They have an accelerated program that doesn't kick in until the 6th grade. I don't know what they're going to do w/him while the rest of the class is learning how to count M&M's (not trying to be sarcastic or condescending, but as many on this forum know, that can be a real problem.)
I don't know, but I'm wondering if an achievement test is worth having just as further "evidence" (for lack of a better word) of him having a "special need" (anticipating that we might run into problems as we already have at his preschool)
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Our school district didn't cover the costs of achievement or IQ testing, so we paid for the IQ test and submitted the portfolio. We videotaped DD then 7 reading and included some pictures she'd drawn (she was working on a series of cat drawings at the time  We also included the tests the school did do: KBIT and Raven's (they're not official tests for DYS purposes, but DYS said to include them in the portfolio regardless). FWIW, my daughter didn't have a miserable time in Kindegarten (perhaps because it was only 2.5 days per week). She was pretty occupied just by the social stuff, so she didn't mind the "counting M&Ms" stuff (in our case gumdrops!). Plus the teacher let her bring in a book. The benefit of waiting until first grade to apply to DYS was that we did have those other tests (KBIT and Raven's) to include in the portfolio. We haven't used too many DYS sources yet as we've only been involved for a year, but it was VERY helpful to have our consultant send a letter to the teacher and principal offering to consult if necessary. The school's been great--DD got a lot of in-class differentiation. We've just dipped our toe into the subject-acceleration pool, and I'm thinking it will be very useful to have DYS as a resource. Also, the e-mail lists have been extraordinarily helpful! HTH
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Video tape of your son is a great idea - get the camera out and see what you can catch! And achievement testing is (in my opinion) less bonding dependent...if you can afford to have the psychologist do it, go ahead - or at least talk to the psychologist and explain - perhaps there is a student intern who could do some of the work for less than the usual fee under the psychologist's supervision.
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Thanks, I think I will give the video a whirl and see what I come up with. If need be, I'll just have to go ahead w/the achievement test.
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I'm new to this and have started working on ds' DYS application. What have others done--used a typewriter or handwritten the application? I'm down to stressing about these types of things! Is there a way I don't know about to type on the form although it's a .pdf?
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Hi.. I don't think it matters. Either one is good. My DD was not in last year but I will try for this year since via work samples or portfolio, wish her luck  . I did typed last year, actually I typed in word format in the application since room for narrative is pretty tight so I did use additional pages for that. Actually if you have pdf writer version you can type directly to the form, but I don't have it so I used Word. Hope this helps.
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Thanks--I'm just getting started and worried about all things great and small!
Good luck to you and your DD!
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I hand filled it in and scanned it and emailed it at 11:30pm, March 31st (deadline is 1st). That's all I had time for, considering I started the application at 10:30pm . I'm hoping my son's scores, and not his mother's literary efforts, will sway the DYS decision.
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I just typed answers to the questions in a Word document, printed that, and wrote "see attached" on the actual form. They didn't want to muddle through pages of my handwriting, I'm positive!
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Same here, except I hand wrote the short answers and attached the questions with the longer answers.
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I used Acrobat to type answers to the form part directly in. I did the questions as a word processing document. I scanned in the signature page, so it was .jpg. I attached all three of those files in one email, and sent a .jpg of the test results in a second email.
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Check under tools of your acrobat and see if you have a typewriter mode.
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I just typed answers to the questions in a Word document, printed that, and wrote "see attached" on the actual form. They didn't want to muddle through pages of my handwriting, I'm positive! Yup, me to. The key to success is to just DO it, and not get bogged down in the perfectionism! Good enough will have to be good enough! Grinity
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Thank you Mark and thanks to everyone else in this thread. I'm trying not to be nervous waiting. We sent ours for the April 1 deadline. I asked DH and DS to go play together (lol) and spent about 8 hours hand writing the application, contacting his tutor and explaining the reference form, making copies of DS's work and recording a video of a presentation he gave onto a CD. I made the decision to snail mail everything instead of email as I wasn't certain I could keep it to the attachment limit requested. I received an email a few days later saying that the application is complete (phew!).
I guess I'm nervous because we are applying without IQ test results. Hoping his achievement score and the portfolio I put together will be good enough. Glad I waited till this year (he's 8) instead of doing it last year because he's only now starting to write more. Apart from the CD, I sent in his math doodles (he draws graphs of number patterns for pleasure) and a sketch he made of a science experiment he plans to carry out (involving sodium and explosions) and a few pages of his word collection (yes, he collects words). Like others mentioned, I typed out a long story on a word doc and attached that to the application. Included all the milestones I could remember about reading, math etc.
"After" (emphasis on after) sending it I realized there were a bunch of good videos I'd taken that I could have included (big frustrated SIGH...). Well, fingers crossed! And good luck to everyone else waiting like we are.
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I'm hoping my son's scores, and not his mother's literary efforts, will sway the DYS decision. LOL! Me too! I hope I didn't take the application process too lightly {sigh}. It is what it is...just heard back that everything is complete and they will let us know their decision at the end of the month. Good luck to everyone else who applies/is applying!
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"After" (emphasis on after) sending it I realized there were a bunch of good videos I'd taken that I could have included (big frustrated SIGH...). Well, fingers crossed! And good luck to everyone else waiting like we are. Oh Golly, Just send out the videos you have tomorrow. Maybe you'll get lucky and they haven't even reviewed yours yet. Good Luck to all, Grinity
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Hey All!
Hope you had great Memorial Day weekends!!
Quick question for those in the know.... If DYS asked for additional items, and then you send them, when do they get reviewed? Do you become part of that months pool, or is there a separate review?
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Lukemac, I think that they review them as they arrive - but don't quote me!
Thanks for the Memorial Day wishes - Lukemac, it's really great that DYS wanted more info. Very often this leads to acceptance.
And even if it doesn't, you still have the same great kid you've always had!
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Thanks Grin!!
Will let you know!
I feel deep inside that he is PG and that he could benefit from DYS... The bigger question for now, is could I prove it! If I can't, then I will put it on my back burner, enjoy my love bug and see what 1st grade brings!
Thanks for the support....
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Hi Lukemac...
Our experience for our DD10 that we applied for the first time without portfolio and they came back and asked for more info or work samples since I didn't have collection of work samples at that time..I waited about 6 months and re-apply with work samples and accepted.
I feel the same way too, I feel that my DD is PG, but I think I didn't do a good job on how I described DD in very detail in 1st time application.
Good luck to you....
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We applied without IQ scores. Along with work samples, I wrote a letter (I think it was about 4-5 pages long, typed on a word doc) about his milestones and how much of a challenge it has been parenting and now, homeschooling this child. It's one of the most honest and open letters I have ever written in my life!
If your gut tells you he is PG, tell them about it. Explain honestly why you think this. It might help!
All the very, very best Lukemac!
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Hi, Lukemac. I didn't realize you had applied with the May group. I'm sorry to hear that your son wasn't accepted on the first try. It's my understanding that the reapplication will get swept up in the block of applications for that month, and the notification should come out at about the same time as the others for that month. Good luck, and keep us posted.
ETA: I see now that you applied a few months ago. Again, good luck!
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Hi,
What would you suggst we put in a portfolio for a just turned five year old? How many pages for instance? Would you have her read on video, talk about science, add drawings, stories, and worksheets?
What level of work would be expected for this age (she turned five in May). Would second and third grade materials be appropriate?
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We put together a folder that contained a dozen or two pictures. We figured that they were small and if they didn't want to flip through them all, then didn't have to. Generally these were pictures we took at the time because we that was DS was doing was 'interesting' but we were pretty clueless on the fact that he was out there. So we had pictures from 3 years of age to 7 (the age DS was when we applied). By age 5 we suspected he was at least HG so we knew to take a picture every now and then. Otherwise no one would believe us :-)
I think we also include a few worksheets, but not too, too many. And I had already made a couple of home movies to share with my folks so I put them on a thumb drive and sent them in.
It was probably overkill, but that's what we did. I think anything that shows your DC working 'several grade levels above' a typical child would be fine. But take that with a grain of salt.
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thanks, JBDad
What sort of movies and pictures did you submit?
She is clearly years and years ahead but I don't know if she is highly or profoundly gifted at this point. We were hoping to get an IQ test with a recent evaluation, but they did achievement testing that isn't acceped by DYS even though the scores are qualifying. There is no urgency to apply, but I am curious.
How has DYS been useful for you?
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There were two movies, both pretty short. One day DS (then 5) was drawing a detailed anatomical picture in chalk on the driveway. It was based on a torso model he used. He went through a period of time when he was really into anatomy. REALLY into it. The other movie was a short one when he was doing his math thing doing addition/subtraction with different base numbers. We tried to pick moments where he was being himself.
The most helpful thing is the network of support, much like this group. It's not a magic bullet and sometimes I think people think it is. (To some degree I guess I used to think that too.) But there's still the hard work that we do with advocating at the school. (Tomorrow's our next IEP.) But it's validation that (a) you're not crazy--at least not about this--and (b) there are more people in this boat than you might realize. We are still relatively new to the system so we haven't yet used all of the resources offered either.
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Dottie - which tests would be a 160 test? DS had some scores over 160 on WJ Ach. This portfolio business is tough!!!
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Hi Dottie,
I am waiting for my copy, but I thought I saw 163 with a max of 165 or something along those lines on the achievement tests she was given.
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which test are you talking about?
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oh, I'll go back and edit to add that they were achievement tests my DD had (not the ones DYS wants). That's all we have right now. I'm not remembering their names right now. I'm waiting for the scores and report.
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Twinkles -
Even if you go 'Portfolio' option, I believe you'll be asked to send all the testing you have - even the baby WPPSI from forever ago, and whatever Achievement testing was done recently. I think that this is a good idea, and will help your portfolio.
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Hello,
My son was recently accepted to DYS. I am wondering what the typical timeline is for being put in touch with your family consultant. We just got approval for math acceleration from the school board and they would like assistance with setting our ds up in the appropriate classroom/grade. I would love to utilize our consultants expertise, but not sure if it will meet him/her within the timeframe as things are happening now. He was in the June decision month.
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Contact them and explain, they can probably work something out.
Congrats on the approval - Yippee!
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Congratulations!
I don't recall it taking that long before somebody emailed us. Maybe it's in your spam folder?
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It took us a little over a month before we got our FC. But they told us that it would when we got the acceptance notice. I was in a similar situation and sent in a preview letter so the FC would know what we needed her for ASAP.
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Ok, I checked in my email, and my memory is faulty as usual.
I got the confirmation email on June 4th and that's when they said they were mailing the packet, then it was July 16th when I got the email from the consultant saying she would like to call us. In between there was receiving the packet and sending it back and all that.
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I'm moving this thread to the "Experiences with Davidson Young Scholars" thread.
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Just got the news that DS6 was accepted as a DYS. Relieved to have some more help to figure things out with schooling.
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I am applying for August, but only sent in test results (and accompanying application with some descriptions of what he's like) and no portfolio items. If his WISC and WJ Achievement test scores meet the criteria, do you think I needed to send portfolio items in also? I just don't want it to have hurt our chances that I didn't.
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I am applying for August, but only sent in test results (and accompanying application with some descriptions of what he's like) and no portfolio items. If his WISC and WJ Achievement test scores meet the criteria, do you think I needed to send portfolio items in also? I just don't want it to have hurt our chances that I didn't. Hello 3xmama, I only sent the qualifing test scores and the application. If the test scores meet the criteria you do not need portfolio items. Good Luck!
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If his WISC and WJ Achievement test scores meet the criteria, do you think I needed to send portfolio items in also? I just don't want it to have hurt our chances that I didn't. If the WISC and WJ meet the minimum criteria, you don't need to do a portfolio in most cases. If you are one of the families that needs to make one, they will ask you to do so, but not count it against you that you didn't. So you won't change the odds by not doing the portfolio if you send in WISC and WJ that met criteria. Hope that helps, Grinity
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I am applying for August, but only sent in test results (and accompanying application with some descriptions of what he's like) and no portfolio items. If his WISC and WJ Achievement test scores meet the criteria, do you think I needed to send portfolio items in also? I just don't want it to have hurt our chances that I didn't. We are hoping to apply for august(or will it be september when sent in, in august?) as well ( depending on if his old school principal/gifted teacher has a chance to write the recommendation letter with the starting of her school year being busy) and we (after asking around on here) are only sending his WISC IV and WJ scores without a portfolio. Hope to hear your child was accepted 3xmama
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Phew! As of now I finally got everything into DYS! His old principal ( before we moved ) did his reference letter and faxed it but forgot to let me know so now that I know its there, I sent everything else...Now the waiting begins!
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Did DYS let you know it the reference was there? My DD's teacher said she sent something at end of the year but I have not heard from DYS. I also have not sent in her application, I just need to finish a few details.
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No...im just assuming they got it because the school said the fax went through. It said when I submitted the application via email that they would let me know if 3-5 days if the application was complete (i think)
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I just sent an email to DYS and they confirmed they recieved the teacher's reccomend. Ok now I need to get my part done. It's almost been done for 6 months, which is silly, but no urgency.
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Good luck with getting the rest together onthegomom! It felt good to check one more thing off my list of stuff I had to do today! Best of luck on your DD application! Glad to hear the school did sent the letter!
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We are working on DD6's application now, and I have a few questions. Only a portion of each of her test scores meet the minimum requirement: her WIAT Reading composite (152) and her WISC-IV PRI (145). Has anyone noticed that if only one subtest of each test meets the minimum requirement, they ask for more information or decline the application altogether?
Also, when filling out the application, I am unsure how much detail to include. I have written 1-2 small paragraphs (4-5 sentences each) for each question, but I feel like that isn't enough. I remember reading on this forum that people often have to go to extra pages, so I suspect our current answers are sparse. And I have also read here that people often take months to work on the application, but what we have took a weekend. I worry that I'm not taking it seriously enough. DD6 could really benefit from DYS's consulting since we are already have issues with school.
My current answers each start with a general statement and then follow with one example of her exhibiting that behavior. Should I include more than one example? I am having trouble thinking of more examples; I suspect it's because her abilities are normal to us. I would hate it if my inability to recognize her strengths prevents her from getting the support they can provide.
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Thanks master! Now I have another question. Our psychologist did not create a full report with either test - she just went over it verbally with us and gave us the score sheet. On the DYS site, it asks for a full report or "if not possible, an explanation". Therefore, I asked our psych. to create full reports for us, but she will charge me an extra $100 (per report I think). So I sent a question to DYS asking if saving $200 is a good enough reason not to have the full report. Here was their reply:
"When considering applications, the review committee makes every attempt to get a picture of the whole child, which is why full reports are preferred. Full reports usually include tester observations and provide considerations that scores alone can not convey. While we can not ask you to spend extra money on a testing report, it would be very helpful to have the tester insights included in the application and may be useful information for you as well. If you feel that you can provide sufficient supporting documentation to aid the committee�s decision, then you may apply with the report that you have currently."
I don't know what she means by "sufficient supporting documentation". I just have the completed application and the two score sheets, along with the recommendation of course. Should we just go ahead and pay the $200 even though we already got all the info. verbally from our psych? WWYD? Has anyone else only submitted the score sheets instead of full reports?
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I would pay for it. You might need it somewhere down the road with a change in schooling, and psychologists don't keep their paperwork forever.
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Hi all--
New here, and applied to DYS for my 6-1/2 year old daughter. She made the cut with the WJ cognitive, but just missed it with the WJ achievement, so I also submitted a portfolio.
She's been put into the review process for this month (March) and I was wondering if anyone knows how long it takes to find out anything.
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Good luck!!! Depending on the month it might take 2-4 weeks. This is probably a big month in terms of applicants since it is a deadline of sorts for siblings of current YS.
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Thank you, Mam! (Of course, that just makes me think of the Langston Hughes short story! :D)
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Good Luck Stacey and welcome
While you wait read through some of the posts here and consider introducing your family (anonymously of course) ...we ve been there and done that!
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My son's scores on WPPSI III
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Verbal (VIQ)139
Performance (PIQ)152
Full Scale (FSIQ)149
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Oral Language 125
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Math Reasoning 148
Listening Comprehension 119
Oral Expression 122
I know the WPPSI scores qualify, but do the WIAT II scores? Should I send a portfolio?
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I think you would need more information. I looked back and it seems your son is not 5 yet, is that right? I don't know much about the WIAT, but I know that some scores you can't calculate based on the age (too young).
I think you should submit the both sets of scores but also a portfolio.
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Yes He's 4 so we will apply when he turns 5. Since the results didn't show exactly the same names as what the requirements said, I wasn't sure, but the only math and reading scores that are there are high. We have LOTS of portfolio things he's done that show him writing or doing math at a 2-3rd grade level so I could send that in if I need to, but if the scores are enough...hooray
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Yes, I think that the names are different because they require more subtests to get the broad scores. Still send them in, but you will need the portfolio as well. That way you avoid the automatic "need more information". They still might ask for more, but if you give them more from the beginning, it is easier for them to make a decision.
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I submitted the applicaion for my DS9. Does anyone happen to know how long the review process is?
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You will receive an email at the end of the month. So long as the application and all supporting documents were received by the 1st.
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Ok, we will wait anxiously for the following several weeks.
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It might take less than that, but better to not expect anything early...
Good luck!
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DS 9 is as well.
I was afraid we wouldn't hear until after the weekend!
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Congrats!!! May you have a great experience in the program!
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DS 9 is as well.
I was afraid we wouldn't hear until after the weekend! Me too! I was really hoping to not have to wait out the Holiday weekend. Congratulations to you as well.
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Congratulations to you both. DD8 just recently was accepted and it has already been a huge blessing to our family. Enjoy your weekend!!!
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Got email on Friday and DS9 is in now!
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Got email on Friday and DS9 is in now! Congratulations, we just received the acceptance email for DS who recently turned 10.
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We received our email today, and DD10 is now a DYS!
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My twins received acceptances to DYS!!!!!!
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Has anyone had experience applying to DYS a second time as a child gets older? Or, should I just take the hint? (For what it's worth, DD7's general intellectual ability on the Woodcock-Johnson Cog was 152, or 99.9%, and her Broad Reading on the WJIII was, from memory, 145, which put her in the 99.8%.)
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Sending hugs your way :-( I don't have experience applying a second time and since DS' scores were significantly above the minimum, I don't know how selective DYS gets beyond the minimum requirements. However, it looks like only your achievement score is borderline. I would have expected DYS to suggest a portfolio in your case. Anyhow, I would encourage you to apply a second time if you get stronger achievement scores or if you think you can put together an impressive portfolio.
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Thanks Quantum. I did put together a portfolio but it wasn't enough.
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Stacey, if you have new achievement scores with a 145, that might work with the IQ. The scores listed here though are really not at the level DYS advertises to help. http://giftedissues.davidsongifted....ut_scores_in_perspective.html#Post134495There are other programs geared more to this level, so hopefully your school offers one.
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Thanks Sharon-- No, that achievement test is the one that was denied by DYS--I was wrong, and her broad reading was lower -- and unfortunately, despite state law and school board policy, there's no gifted program in our small K-8 community school, and our state doesn't have gifted schools for elementary or magnet schools for high school. I'm kind of thinking of moving, . But, until then, I've put on my squeaky wheel hat. The school board and the new principal know I'm annoyed. Thank you again for your kind words, everyone.
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Really considering applying to the DYS program for my 7yo son, but not entirely convinced yet...
For those that have kids in the program, what is the biggest difference it has made for you and/or your child?
Also, from reading this thread, it seems that my son might be borderline. His GIA is 154 (VCI 142, PRI 145), but because of his WMI 123 and PSI 88, his FSIQ is 135. Seems iffy to me because these WISC-IV numbers are all we have. However, it does say specifically in the full report that he "sacrificed speed for accuracy", so I know that had a lot to do with the lower PSI.
Anyone have knowledge or experience with a similar situation? Similar numbers?
I know we will have to send in a portfolio if we apply. I suppose I have plenty of stuff with him explaining his lego creations, or sitting in the car seat as a toddler rambling about science, and I have independent notebooks he keeps as well. Not sure if a letter from a previous teacher would help. I think his biggest asset is his creativity, so hopefully I can showcase that in the portfolio.
Anyways, the two questions I'm really hoping to have answered are 1. What has made DYS worth it for you? and 2. Does my boy have a shot at getting in.
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Hi, Ephelidasa,
We only applied b/c DD9 was getting kicked out of her private school due to various 2e-related behavior issues and there was not recognition by either teachers or the school psychologist that gifted might be contributing to that. So we applied so that it wasn't just us saying "but she's actually really smart" and also to help her emphasize some of her positive qualities. She also scored low on coding, but she had other subtest scores that qualified her so maybe if you were able to have your DS do some of the other subtests (see the Davidson website) you could use those rather than the portfolio. But of course that can be expensive.
Here there are a few DYS kids in another part of town that we've met but DD hasn't really hit it off with any of them yet (even though they all seem like great kids). So the pluses would be meeting other kids/families, and maybe helping with advocacy in school. But it may not do much good. I think it's a great resource and am very grateful for this board, but to be honest as far as I can tell it hasn't made any difference for us. Our fortunes have risen and fallen with the compatibility with particular teacher(s) or lack thereof. Maybe things will be different in the future. I can say that this board has been tremendously helpful, at least in terms of esprit de corps, so it's great that it's available to everyone.
Good luck to you and your DS, whatever you decide.
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After talking to my son's dr., I think we are going to apply for the program. We will bring him for another test (his doc said she could do it in an hour or two, so it doesn't sound too expensive) so we can skip the portfolio hopefully.
The program seems like it could be a good resource, and besides, the doc said she thought it would be a good idea.
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DS7 is accepted.
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DD8 is also accepted.
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I'd suggest applying before you need the resource. We sat on scores for a couple of years until we were considering a school change and needed advice, then I had to hurry to send the application in and call the family counselor just days after the acceptance. It would have been smarter to do this at leisure. The minimal effort to apply (I just sent in scores and a few sentences for the essays) was well worth it.
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I am new to this forum. Please help me out. Anyway, I am considering in applying for DYS for my two sons. Does anybody know any inexpensive place for taking the IQ and Achievement test? I homeschooling both my sons and we live here in Northern Virginia. I am thinking of doing the portfolio for my youngest son but I not for my older son so I am thinking of them taking the test instead. Any information you could provide would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much.
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I do live in VA but not NOVA so I can't give you specifics but I did find a local university with a psychological services center that offered low cost testing (it was done by graduate students). Maybe you could find something similar up there? It cost us $250 for a full battery assessment including WISC-IV and WJ-III.
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I got a question. I just sent application for my 7 years old son but they asking for 4 academic work including Math, Reading, Science & Writing. Dose everyone send those too? Or I can just send a video? Thanks a lot!
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Has anyone thought about whether there is a point where having formal IQ testing might be dis-service to the child? Where if a child’s score is very high you may not want a record of it or it might be more harmful to have that information out in the world than to not have them tested. Has anyone with a PG child chosen not to test? Also with very young children who are very asynchronous could it be a dis-service to test before they even out or present an unrepresentative picture of who they are. We have several PG family members who were fairly odd children. Ha Ha. I have a young 6 year old and we are considering not testing him. We have a DD who is HG/PG and he is considerably more advanced. I am concerned that it would not be beneficial to test him at this point because of extreme asynchrony and general quirkiness. We feel we have learned a-lot of the information that’s out there about how to meet their needs and I am not sure testing him would be very helpful at this point. He is not in school and probably will not be any time in the near future, but I would consider applying for DYS at some point. We think the resources would be helpful at this point in our lives. This site has been extremely helpful to our family over the years. Has anyone ever chosen not to test a child?
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I have tested my dc. You pose an interesting question. I really believe some of the danger lies in what you choose to do with information. We don't share the information with people other than by necessity. The school has seen the numbers and Davidson has seen them. Our family has not and will not seen them. My own dc don't know there numbers. I am not a fan of giving attention to my children for something they personally have no control over such as an IQ score. I would never allow media exposure over an IQ score. One of my dc has had very minimal media exposure of winning some different things, but nothing an normal developing child could not win as well.
I was a little concerned about opening Pandora's Box with testing. I am glad we did it and its been very helpful for me to understand them better. If you feel no need to do and feel you have a good grasp on your dc, I can total see not testing as well. I think a lot of us find it very informative. It's certainly not for everyone.
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I don't ever understand why someone would not want to know something. It is just information. How you use the information is entirely up to you. I like making informed decisions based on as much information as possible.
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Hello
My 6 year old daughter qualifies (IQ results) for the YSP but I am unsure of what to include in the portfolio of work. She reads 4-5 grade levels above her and her math is also about 3-5 grade levels above her age. She is an avid LEGO builder, can built LEGO for 16 and up; 800- 1000 pieces in few hours and her fascination are airplanes and rockets. Anyone can share their experience submitting the portfolio?
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Hi, Willsher21,
I didn't submit a portfolio but I've read that parents often use video to demonstrate ability 2 or 3 grades above.
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Hi KADmom!
Thanks for the input! I just want to understand a little bit more about what is it that they are looking for in a portfolio. In the website states that the applicant must submit 4 projects so maybe it is something that they have added recently.
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Does applying and getting accepted to DYS help in any way for a student who is not part of the public school system (hence no need for advocacy)? I am asking because I would like to search for a tester and apply for my DS who is 6. But, I am unable to push myself to do it because so far I have not come up with a good reason to do it (and spend money on the testing) in our case. I am also left with the feeling that I am a slacker mom for not having done it yet. Suppose a kid goes to private school that more or less meets his intellectual needs and he gets afterschool enrichment where those needs are not met, does getting accepted to DYS help in any way? Thanks in advance for your input!
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Does applying and getting accepted to DYS help in any way for a student who is not part of the public school system (hence no need for advocacy)? I am asking because I would like to search for a tester and apply for my DS who is 6. But, I am unable to push myself to do it because so far I have not come up with a good reason to do it (and spend money on the testing) in our case. I am also left with the feeling that I am a slacker mom for not having done it yet. Suppose a kid goes to private school that more or less meets his intellectual needs and he gets afterschool enrichment where those needs are not met, does getting accepted to DYS help in any way? Thanks in advance for your input! For my family, the biggest benefits to DS's DYS status are the connections we have made and the information we get from them. If money is an issue, and you can't find low-cost testing through a university or elsewhere, I'm not sure that I would go through the testing. Another benefit are various gatherings where you can meet other families like yours. Also, you could avoid the cost of testing if you were able to submit qualifying achievement scores plus a portfolio.
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Does applying and getting accepted to DYS help in any way for a student who is not part of the public school system (hence no need for advocacy)? I am asking because I would like to search for a tester and apply for my DS who is 6. But, I am unable to push myself to do it because so far I have not come up with a good reason to do it (and spend money on the testing) in our case. I am also left with the feeling that I am a slacker mom for not having done it yet. Suppose a kid goes to private school that more or less meets his intellectual needs and he gets afterschool enrichment where those needs are not met, does getting accepted to DYS help in any way? Thanks in advance for your input! Can you afford a long weekend in Reno once a year? So far, the annual Summit has been the most valuable thing we have gotten out of DITD, with local gatherings being second mostly because they aren't frequent enough to bump them into first. We did get good advice on advocacy from them, but I think just being able to be with "our people" has been the biggest advantage.
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This list is not to encourage or discourage testing. When my dd was 6, I felt the same way. Testing will not make a difference in her education so why do it. It wasn't til she was 8. We had her 2E brother tested and were surprised by how much information we had. Hemmed and hawed,and finally got dd tested. It more put a stamp on what we knew rather than offering lots of info, but was worth it's price when it came to advocacy. I just wanted to second mon's experience with testing. We had never considered testing for our children outside of what was required to get into our school district's gifted programs, then we ran head-on into a 2e wall for my ds in 2nd grade, and once we'd had that full suite of testing (with a tester who explained how the tests inter-related etc), it was such an amazing wealth of info for me as a parent. Whether or not it yields scores at DYS levels, it reveals a lot of info re how your child learns, where relative strengths and weaknesses are etc. It's also been a crucial piece of data for us in advocating for gifted services and accelerated coursework at school. polarbear
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Thank you polarbear, MON, Elizabeth and st pauli girl. I should have been more clear in my earlier post - DS goes to a good private school which is very rigorous academically for 1st grade and he gets pull outs to attend LA, Math and Computer programming with 2nd grade. We opted against grade skipping for now. The school is open to discussion on DS's needs and they also have opportunities like science fair, math contests, essay and spelling contests etc where DS can participate inhouse, I think (we are new to this school).
I have an old WPPSI score for DS with FSIQ in the 140s from 2 years ago. It is not a detailed report. We afterschool DS in math and science and he attends enrichment classes and clubs outside of school too.
Money is not the main issue in not getting DS tested - justifying to myself the pricetag of $3500-$4000 for it when there is no pressing need is the issue (these are typical Silicon Valley prices for testing). I plan to call Stanford university which is local to us and see if their testing is any lower in cost.
We don't live too far from the Tahoe/Reno area, so stopping by at Reno once a year for a summit is not a problem.
We have not even thought of college plans yet. But I can see how DYS connections can help in that area. And we already accelerate DS afterschool to meet his needs - detailed testing might give us a better idea on how to handle the acceleration.
And I am sure that my son will enjoy spending time with "his kind of people". So, yeah, I will start being an un-slacker about this.
Thanks for your help!
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Ashley, I'm actually a bit of a slacker-personality myself Honestly, from what you've posted in your reply I'm not sure I'd be in a hurry to test or to apply for DYS - it sounds like things are going really well for your ds The time when test data has been most helpful for us was when our children *weren't* getting appropriately challenged at school and the school was putting up barriers. In your situation, I'd seriously consider waiting a few years to test - because your ds is still 6 (I think? - my apologies if I got that wrong!)... anyway, the reason I'd consider waiting is that there may be a perception that test scores are more reliable at 7-8 years old. Whether or not *you* believe that, we've found in advocating that other people will question early test scores. Best wishes, polarbear
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Thanks for your reply polarbear. We spent a bad year for DS in public K where we encountered poor "customer service" to put it mildly and recently moved him to a private school for 1st grade (yes, he is 6 years old). So far, we have had no complaints but we are only 6 weeks into it. We will see.
I too believe that 7-8 years might be a better age for testing - largely because the child might be more mature and more in control of their impulses.
I will also try to find the local DYS groups and see what kind of summits, meetings and events they have locally.
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Does applying and getting accepted to DYS help in any way for a student who is not part of the public school system (hence no need for advocacy)? I am asking because I would like to search for a tester and apply for my DS who is 6. But, I am unable to push myself to do it because so far I have not come up with a good reason to do it (and spend money on the testing) in our case. I am also left with the feeling that I am a slacker mom for not having done it yet. Suppose a kid goes to private school that more or less meets his intellectual needs and he gets afterschool enrichment where those needs are not met, does getting accepted to DYS help in any way? Thanks in advance for your input! We did it for the potential of finding intellectual peers for our DD more than anything else. I want her to know that there are other geeks and kids that look beyond the surface layers/think beyond the first move out there.
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Thank you, madeinuk. So far we have been finding intellectual peers for my DS in the friend circle as well as by attending enrichment clubs where there are kids at his level. So, when you say that you applied to DYS for the potential of finding intellectual peers, what do you mean by that? Do you get invitations to join a regional meet where all the DYS kids attend some activity together? Or do you initiate invitations to those kids to form groups for things like Destination Imagination and Science Fairs? Or do you just set up playdates for your child with these peers? Or do they all interact online?
I am trying to understand exactly what everyone means by "finding intellectual peers" on this forum.
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At the most basic level "intellectual peer" would be in contrast to "age peer." It represents the complexity of language, ideas, interests over the coincidence of birthdays.
Some gifted kids will fit in fine and adapt with their age peers doing many things. Others are really caught up in their world of ideas and the way they think about them, they may not be able to dial it back and will tend to gravitate to adults and much older kids.
A six year old who says things like: "I am fascinated by the implications of mixing liquids of various PH levels; so, let us sneak into the back of the cafeteria and borrow some." might not get the most receptive of audiences on the playground to their ideas or conversation. So here, the asynchronous nature of gifted has a mix of a certain interest above age level and the common sense of a six year old. This kid might find an eight or nine year old who is interested in their idea, but could also be mocked for the bad plan.
Not sure if that clarifies it enough, but that's the basic concept in my mind.
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There are regional meet-and-greet type events, if you are lucky enough to live close to an area with a great enough density of Young Scholars to attend one. Our next one is a couple hours gaming session at the library. If you meet someone that you "click" with through these, then presumably you could meet up for playdates with some of the connections you made there. The tools are there for online interaction between kids (the elists), but it doesn't seem to be really popular.
Zen Scanner gives some good examples of why asynchronous kids may not fit in well with their age peers. As another example, DD8 wanted to "play goddesses" with her friends, and assign everyone roles as Greek goddesses, but everyone else did not necessarily have encyclopedic knowledge of them all, especially some of the lesser goddesses. Girls who were old enough to have read all the Percy Jackson books (her initial source of this knowledge) were not necessarily interested in pretend play any more. Peers who are both the same age and the same intellectual level were a better fit.
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I agree about the peer group - we do our local group activities and also attend the Summit. The Summit has educational and social opportunities for both parents and children. My DS goes to a HG school but he is still a bit of an outlier there so it is nice to have DYS for that. I have not really used an advocate but have scoured the online resources for school/parenting/social emotional development and 2e issues. ElizabethN - check out his link - my DS did this daycamp this past summer and there are lots of kids that like to play god/goddess there. http://bookpeoplecamphalfblood.wordpress.com/I know they had something in Vancouver/BC last year but don't know much about it. http://imaginestem.org/Campdemigod/...d-vancouver-bcpoint-roberts-wa-branch-3/
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Forgive my naive question... My son is in 8th grade. Is it still beneficial for him to become a DYS scholar at this point? Also, does everyone who meet the criteria get in, or is it just a minimum requirement for applying? I'm sure these questions have probably been asked many times before, but hope someone will let me know... Thanks.
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Forgive my naive question... My son is in 8th grade. Is it still beneficial for him to become a DYS scholar at this point? . There are several programs just for that age range, to age 18, so it would be worth looking at whether they would be useful for him.
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Thanks indigo and connectingdots. The main purpose would be to find a peer group, to get advice on navigating high school and to find more summer programs... I will definitely read about the programs carefully.
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Playandlearn, I would say "yes" and "pretty much." I have learned tons from other DYS parents about issues related to high school and college, and there have been plenty of older kids at the gatherings I have been to. As for the 2nd question, if you spend time looking back at the posts on this board, you will see that kids who meet the minimum requirements on both IQ and achievement do tend to get in, as long as the letter and other info in the application don't raise any red flags.
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We had good experiences for our oldest son when he was in the Davidson Young Scholars program, and he still keeps up with young people he met in the program now that they are all aged out. As a parent, I cherish the parent community I met through the program. We may be applying for a younger sibling of our YS alumnus in a while, and we will be glad to be back on board if he gets on board.
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I'm looking at applying for DD9, and will be using her ACT Explore scores and a portfolio. My question is about the portfolio pieces - do they want to see .pdfs of her actual work or would something like a STAR Reading Diagnostic Report showing her reading at a post-high school level be a good piece to include?
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I am also considering applying for DD10 with EXPLORE scores and a portfolio. She is strongest in reading and science. Where can I find worksheets that show above grade level? It is hard for me to understand what is above grade level and what is not. Any sites people like to print things from?
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We have only been to one relatively local event and it was good to see the kids connecting and also to meet parents who have been through or are going through similar experiences.
I exaggerate for effect here but walking into a room full of DYS folks felt a bit like how you would imagine people (humans) would feel in a post apocalypse zombie world when they find a sanctuary full of other humans LOL
Don't be intimidated by the entrance requirements I think anyone that can jump the bar is in barring red flags.
We are looking forward to leveraging the summit when our DD gets a bit older ourselves as the importance of finding fellow chrysalids will undoubtably increase as she gets into her teens.
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Thanks ElizabethN! I am becoming more appreciative of this online forum!
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To those who have applied, should one expect to hear something back before the last day of the month? I submitted my son's application on 3/31 and I'm antsy! Thanks!
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JulieV we are wondering the same thing! Very antsy here too!
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As they say in their website, applications are reviewed monthly. All the applications that are sent between March 2 - April 1 are currently being reviewed and notifications will be sent at the end of April.
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DS8 is in second grade in a very academically rigorous private school. He tested with a GAI of 148 but a FSIQ of 132 due to a PSI of 97 as compared to VCI of 136 and PRI of 143.
I've been considering applying for DYS but feel his scores might be borderline and haven't invested in more testing.
DS8 has recently become enthralled with video games (minecraft) and watching videos about these video games. As a result, it is hard for him to focus on school work or anything else.
His opinion of school varies. He enjoys the social aspect but finds writing and sitting still tedious. He often complains of homework (though they really don't get as much as public schools) and of getting in trouble in class. He has adopted a 'class clown' persona as of late and he responds to anything uncomfortable by trying to joke his way out. (It's driving me mad...)
I've been meaning to perhaps send in a portfolio, but I'm not sure what 2-3 grades above grade level actually mean? For his school, a 2nd grader is doing multiplication and division and reading Harry Potter books. I can't imagine what 4th graders are doing!
Is there a place where I would be able to see a guide of what 'grade level' actually means for each grade?
I sense that this 'class clown' persona might have to do with anxiety from social interactions or from getting 'in trouble' in class. His teacher has also been on him about messy work and bad grammar / handwriting, though I turned in a report at the beginning of the school year where it stated that this was an ongoing problem of kids with significant differences between their PSI and PRI/VCI scores. Teacher's response was "well, he still has to write". (specially tough as they are doing cursive work...)
How do I approach this?
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To figure out what the typical 4th grade would be doing I would check out the districts website for the fourth grade curriculum. Or check out the website of a 4th grade teacher at another school in your area and see what they have posted. It may surprise you what is considered 4th grade at a "regular" school.
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We are considering applying to DYS for our 2E DS9. We would use his Explore results, which are well above the thresh hold used by for DYS. (composite was 20, math was 25) He has been tested by a Psychologist for ADHD, that test was more for diagnostic purposes, and may not accurately reflect his potential....if we do not use this doctor's testing as part of the application process, may we use this person as the nominator? She has been seeing our son professionally and would be the most qualified to address his qualifications...any thoughts? BTW, new member to the forums...great stuff!
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So grateful for this forum and all of you here. Bit the bullet after reading posts here and had DD8 take the EXPLORE (results previous thread). Then, we bit the bullet and did the WISC, with a tester very experienced with gifted children and testing, who used extended norms. So glad that we did. FSIQ DYS-level and GAI (higher) (told this was the better measure for DD). Please cross your fingers for us as I try to complete our application. I am feeling inadequate while filling it out - if DD doesn't make it, I'll feel like it was my fault!
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How does one "finish" the WISC with a different tester?
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Indigo, DD previously had an abbreviated test for school's program. These brief results gave DYS-level scores, but no extended norms are available for this brief test (and it would appear DD hit a couple of ceilings). I'm not the professional, but from what I understand, when a full test is later performed, all subtests can be administered (so "finishing" it is actually a bit of a misnomer, but is just how I'd been thinking about it), substitution of subtests is considered to avoid any "practice effects," to achieve a full WISC. There is actually a bulletin out that describes the procedure.
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Loy58, Would you point me to the bulletin you are referring to?
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Hooray, our son was just accepted as a DYS! We are excited but have no idea how to explain this to our DS6. Any advice would be great!
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Hooray, our son was just accepted as a DYS! We are excited but have no idea how to explain this to our DS6. Any advice would be great! Might want to mention that there may be opportunities to meet other kids with a similar intellectual profile, and that there may be lots of information for you as parents to learn to help the school keep up with him so he can learn something new every day. This might be a good time to talk with him about being a good partner with you to keep you updated about how things are going at school, just setting aside some time to talk about his day.
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Congratulations to you and your DS!!!
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Indigo, thanks again! You have so many great insights! And thanks Loy! It's just starting to get interesting...
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I am new to this forum. For the past few days, I spent hours here reading past posts, gained a lot knowledge. Thank you! I've posted a question regarding DYS application criteria in a separate post, but guess might get more inputs here... (so sorry if you read this same question twice  ) My DS6 was tested this month with complete WISC-IV but only 3 subtests of WJ-III (Passage Comprehension, Applied Problems, and Writing Samples). He is current enrolled in our public school half day K program. The school principle made an exception to allow early testing. (Usually, it won't happen until after group screening at the end of 1st grade) His WISC score is good fit for DYS. His "Applied Problems" -- one subtest in the Math section was 163 (>99.9th). Will this one subtest score good enough for applying DYS? I doubt the school district would do "extra" (complete WJ-III testing) at this point. DS is interested in Physics, Chemistry as well as Math. He learned Algebra, Geometry before turning 6 and is pushing to learn Calculus (which I can't help him anymore...  ) Can a portfolio (showing him doing some of the algebra or geometry problems) plus the "Applied Problems" score be "good enough" for DYS application? Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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Can a portfolio (showing him doing some of the algebra or geometry problems) plus the "Applied Problems" score be "good enough" for DYS application? Suggestions are greatly appreciated! Some may say that depends on how he comes across on the video? For example some parents have posted videos of kids on YouTube which seem heavily coached or guided, even following prompts from parents during the video. This may come across as hothousing by a tiger parent and/or exhibiting a fixed mindset and fear of making a mistake. Just my 2 cents.
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The website says this about IQ scores: WISC_IV: Standard score 145+ (99.9th percentile) on at least one of the following sections: Verbal Comprehension, Perceptual Reasoning, General Ability Index (GAI), or Full Scale Portfolio: They're looking for evidence of his ability to work two or more years ahead of what would be expected for his age. My impression is that handwritten materials are a priority for them (as noted in their directions here). Scanned handwritten math work that's at least 2-3 years beyond what would be expected of a typical child his age would presumably be what they're looking for. A portfolio consists of at least four academic work samples that clearly demonstrate the applicant’s advanced abilities in academic areas of strength including math, writing, reading, science, or social studies. Please submit independent work that is completed without the assistance of teachers or parents. The Review Committee prefers handwritten examples as they allow them to better gauge ability and independence. Typed work with grades and teacher comments can be included as scanned PDF files. Work must be at least 2-3 grade levels above age peers to qualify for the Young Scholars Program.
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Hi indigo, thank you for your input. You are absolutely right about this issue. It would be tough for others to distinguish "self-driven, self-taught" vs. "Hothoused". I wish his WJ-III one subtest score would be considered along side with whatever I can come up in his portfolio. We were told by school psychologist that DS was doing "high school level Math" during the WJ-III "Applied problems". Maybe, or just maybe I can squeeze the request for "further complete WJ-III test" at next week's meeting with school officials...  ?
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Sorry! I was only addressing the idea of the level of confidence/autonomy a child might present in a video demonstrating a skill. Val is right with the DYS qualifications for test scores. Additionally, if opting to present a portfolio, based on the link Val provided, it looks like it would be beneficial for your child to demonstrate skills in several areas? Just my 2 cents.
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Val, Thank you for your links and detailed explanation! It shall be fairly easy for me to dig out some of DS' works (on paper). But just like Indigo mentioned in the previous post... it might be difficult to tell how DS reached to that point just "on paper". Has anyone here heard of "success story" for DYS applicants with Valid full IQ score + achievement "One Subtest" score + Portfolio. If the school refuses our request for "complete WJ-III achievement testing" (their reason would be valid since DS was just screened for school's GT program), we might have to get private achievement testing done on this little guy 
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Sorry! I was only addressing the idea of the video of doing math. Val is right with the DYS qualifications for test scores. Based on the link Val provided, it looks like it would be beneficial for your child to demonstrate skills in several areas? Just my 2 cents. Oh! No need to say Sorry! Your input is greatly appreciated because I often times think about the same issue. DS is clearly a conceptual learner, he gets concepts quickly and then "guesses" what the next steps/concepts. He can't take repetition...  I don't have workbooks or even textbooks for him at this point. I do know some kids that were "Kumoned", they can do above grade level Math/Reading too. In a K classroom, the teacher still can tell them apart though
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Hi Love2Dolphins! I just went through this with "school results," although different tests. If your DS's school would be willing to complete the rest of the subtests to enable them to calculate a "Broad Reading," "Broad Math, a "Broad Written Language," and a "Total Achievement" - that might be the quickest way to get what your DS needs. It would appear that your DS's school performed one of each of the subtests (I believe there are usually 3 needed for each broad score, as my DS5 took the WJ III Ach.) needed to calculate "broad scores" for the WJ-III Ach. Of course, many successful applicants have completed portfolios for their DC, so if you feel like you have the work samples, that could work, too! Best wishes to you and your DS!!!
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Hi Loy58, Thank you so much for your input. I agree with you, getting rest of the subtests done (by the school) would be the best solution. We will bring it up at our next meeting with school officials next week. I wonder if it is "standard procedure" to only administrate few achievement subtests in public schools. I understand that "high Ability" doesn't necessary warrant "high achievement", especially at K level (lack of exposure to certain materials, etc.) Thank you again! Loy58. Best luck to you and your DS!
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... at K level (lack of exposure to certain materials, etc.) You mentioned your child doing algebra/geometry... which has not been taught in kindergarten. Gifted kids often push for "more" in areas of interest, and parents scramble to keep up with them. ... only administrate few achievement subtests in public schools Schools may test relative to criteria they deem important for their own gifted programs/services. This may differ considerably from other/outside programs/services. For example, DYS describes a minimum of 99.9th percentile... the extreme outliers.
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Hi Indigo, thank you for your reply.
Yes! As parents, my DH and I often feel been "pulled" forward by this little fellow. He would beg for more or "big kid/grown up" version of something. We are trying our best to suit his needs.
I volunteers routinely at DS' K class, witnessing the growth of bunch of 5/6 years. Often, I got surprised at the fact that some kids seemed not to know the basic knowledge of something. I wonder probably those kids were not exposed to those knowledge at all at home. (for example: the planets in the solar system, etc.)
We would try to ask School to complete the WJ-III test for DS, but not really optimistic. Just like you mentioned, school already did their part to identify DS for their own GT program. There is no need for them to do extra for us at this point.
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Our school did testing for Gifted for both my boys. I was not thrilled with the scope of the school systems testing even though they both qualified for gifted.
So I went to the university psychology clinic where they are training grad students. Both of my children ended up being tested by the same grad student about a year apart and she and her supervising professor are doing research in giftedness (just a coincidence that we drew her both times). The clinic does testing on a sliding scale and then even took off more money for my youngest because we did extra scales and forms and answered extra questions on him for a bit of research on giftedness. I could only guess which forms/scales were standard and which were extra for the research but I have a good idea. That study was over by the time we got to my older son the next year (and he was one year too old for the scope of the study anyway).
If you only need a WJ-III completed I would call the university and see if you can get a grad student to do it. The three subtests already given can't be given again so I am not sure if they can just complete the rest of the subtests or if they would need to pick a different achievement test altogether...make sure you give them the list of acceptable achievement tests.
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Hi Sweetie, that was surely very sweet of you answering my post in such detail! Thank you for your suggestions. Yes. We can only expect "that much" from public school system. My DS was pulled out from his regular half day K class for the testing couple of days in a row. The school psychologist seems to be very busy (rotating her visits in several elementary schools in our district). We really don't think the school would agree to do "more testing" on our little guy. Like you suggested, we might need to find other party (University Grad student? Private psychologist?) to do the complete testing, either finish the WJ-III or switch to another valid test...
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Hi! Just a quick update on "completing WJ-III testing" for my DS6. We are fortunate to have a very cooperative school district. The school psychologist administrated the Broad Math subtests on Wednesday. We received the updated report the same day afternoon. We are so grateful. Also, the school will have district's Math specialist to have "grade level Math testing" done with DS soon to identify gaps/holes in his knowledge. He did well on the WJ-III Broad Math tests with overall score at 184. We'll get the ball rolling for DYS' application! Thanks again for all the discussion and suggestion.
Sorry that I have more questions about the application:
1). Is there any "word limit" when answering the questions on the application form?
2). About the "developmental milestones of the child": does that only apply to DS' first two years? (for example: talk, walk, learned ABC/123?) Otherwise, it can get really long...
3). "In what areas does your child exhibit prodigious intellectual ability?" Do you recommend me to include "proofs" to support my claims, for example: recording of his piano play; his sample Math work, Physics understanding/conceptual reasoning, etc. again, that really can get very long...
Thank you all in advance!
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If you are submitting test scores for both parts, you can be pretty brief on the written application and you will be fine. If you are submitting a portfolio, you will need more details.
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Thank you! ElizabethN. I'll submit both tests' results for DS. Looks like I don't need to write too much in the application. 
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popping on this thread for some support!
My 6 yo son has just completed some testing and his GAI on the WISC was 146. We havent done complete academic achievement testing, so I am submitting a portfolio.
I have 5th grade reading comprehension worksheets, math sheets I can download as PDFs to give examples of his work. Hoping that is what they are looking for?
I do have a good list of his developmental milestones etc.
And now I am facing trying to choose a nominator- wrote on that thread too.
Hoping he gets in as we are very rural and our school is actually open to working with/collaborating with DYS!
It is a K-8 school with maybe 550 students total. The principal is interested in helping us, so fingers crossed he gets in!
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Would like to wish all the recent applicants success in getting into DYS!!
I submitted my DD6 last week. Although her IQ scores qualify in PRI, FSIQ and GAI, she only made the achievement criteria in total achievement, barely missing in math.
I did not submit a portfolio and am nervous. She hasn't been enriched too much at home and I have been feeling guilty about that ever since we got her iq scores in February.
It's going to be a long wait! Good luck everyone!
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Good luck, slammie! I'm probably going to miss this month  . We get our report this week so we are cutting it close to deadline.
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Yes we did too, so we are in the June pool. Btw, did you get a application complete email from them? I received the application received, the 2 emails regarding the parent forms and the last one regarding the nomination, but not the application completed one.
Keeping my fingers crossed for your family!
ETA: misread your post. Good luck with the forthcoming report! I know how hard it is to wait for the achievement scores.
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Thanks, Slammie. I've filled out as much online as I can. Hoping I get the snail mail hard copy of the eval before the 1st so we can be in the June pool as well!
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We're in the May application pool, and I'm hoping to hear by the end of the week. Good luck to all of the applicants!
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Good luck to everyone!! I've still not finished the application yet. Hoping to have it done by next week, and in for the July pool
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DD8 is a DYS!!! Good luck, everyone!!!
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DS8 is a DYS! :-) Good luck!!
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Loy58, Minx, congratulations!!!! Cammon, good luck with your application!!
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Congrats!! I received our eval today, earlier than expected, so I can get the application in before the first!
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Loy58, Minx, congratulations!!!! Cammon, good luck with your application!! Thank you. We got the good news yesterday. DS is a Davidson Young Scholar:)
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Congrats Minx and cammom!!! Thanks for the kind wishes! Best of luck to all who have applications pending...waiting is possibly the hardest part.
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oh great news cammom! Congrats! BTW, did all of you submit scanned signed reports? In my haste I uploaded the unsigned ones that were sent to me by the psychologist I sent them an email asking how to send the scanned signed ones and haven't heard back yet.
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Best of luck to all who have applications pending...waiting is possibly the hardest part. I'm finding completing the application and feeling confident about how much to write is hard!! I'm second guessing what to say, if my examples are good enough...ugh. I'm sure waiting will be tough too, but right now I need a kick in the pants to get it done and send it already!! congrats to everyone who got in and good luck to those pending!!!
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Waiting was tough...!
I think there is a lot of waiting in this process. Waiting for IQ scores, waiting for achievement test scores....it's hard on a parent!
Good luck to your DC Speechie.
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Yay! Got my app in under the wire Are there any other programs that folks have found to be helpful? PG Retreats? Mensa?
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Thanks all, and yes, slammie, I submitted scanned, signed reports. Our application wasn't considered complete until after May 1st as the nominator hadn't finished her bit but we were still considered in May.
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Slammie, did you get an email about your app being complete? I got ours in by the 1st but then today we got an email saying that the application is considered complete and reviews will happen on the first of the month. Does that mean NEXT month?
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KTPie, same boat here. Not sure what to think because I am 100 percent certain everything was in a few days before the deadline . I don't remember this happening with DS's app last year. Maybe they have a cap of the maximum number of candidates they will consider per month thus deferring us to the following month?
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KTPie,
The same thing happened to us with our DD's application. It all worked out in the end. I think if you have qualifying scores in achievement and IQ you shouldn't worry because it will all work out, just a month later than expected.
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KTPie, sorry for the delay in responding; did you find out whether you made it in this month's group? I didn't get an application complete email for several days after the initial submission.
Minx - thanks for your response. I did resend the email asking if they needed it and I just got a response that our application was received and to expect an answer by the end of the month.
Hoping all of you get good news in the next few days!
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Slammie, I actually emailed them to see, out of curiosity. They said that they have been crazy busy with summer and those emails were sent out later than they normally send them and that my son is still in this month's pool. Hoping to hear soon
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oh that's great news! Hang in there
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You too
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DS6 is a DYS
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Congratulations! Sorry you missed this year's Summit, but they haven't opened the seminar registrations yet, so hopefully you'll be able to get in on that.
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Congratulations!!!!!!
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Slammie, we also got an email after the deadline saying the app was now complete but just now got the email saying DD is accepted to DYS. Apparently they accepted the math scores we had as "broad math" even though the language didn't match up completely. We did not do the portfolio route.
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Fantastic news Southlake!! Congratulations!!
I haven't heard yet. I am still concerned that my question was not addressed regarding the signed reports. It was so strange!
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Congratulations KTPie and Southlake!!!
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Thank you! Fingers crossed, Slammie!
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Hi Slammie - I'm don't think I saw the original question about the signed reports, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding something, but we just submitted what the tester gave us (which I think had a typed signature - nothing "original looking"), and it was fine. I think this is a busy month at Davidson, and they may just be completing their application review more slowly than in other months. I know waiting is hard! Best of luck to you!
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Congrats to all of your children!
Slammie my son is also in this months pool - our report did not have an official signature on it either. I sent what we were given. Fingers crossed that is enough!
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Good luck to you both, Slammie and OrlFamily. I think with my son's app last year we didn't get the email until a few days into the next month (meaning July for this go around) so just hang in there a bit longer and I'm sure you will have good news!
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Whoops - I meant we are in the July pool . Just turned our application in!
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Loy58, Southlake, thank you for the info - it's so helpful to hear from other families who have gone through the application process.
OrlFamily, good luck to you too!!
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Finally heard from Davidson today and DD has been accepted!! I'm looking forward to connecting with you and your families Best wishes to those still waiting!
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Congratulations, Slammie! That's fantastic!
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Congratulations, Slammie!
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Out of curiosity, back on the original topic of this thread, once accepted what parts of the program did folks find useful?
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