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    #95063 - 02/19/11 07:29 AM Re: How far ahead in math are gifted kids typically? [Re: MamaJA]
    shellymos Offline

    Registered: 08/20/08
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    Loc: New York
    DS6 is a PG kid who will complete the 5th grade curriculum this year at school (so +4 in math including one full skip and 3 additional for subject acceleration). He is a very mathy kid who is still way ahead of the 5th grade curriculum, that is just the pace they are taking which is going well. He still does his own math stuff on the side like algebra and other stuff. He also is doing lots of interesting enrichment and things on the side like math olympiads and learned hexidecimal this year and now loves to take numbers and convert to binary and hexidecimal for kicks. I do know of many other HG/PG kids that are not quite so mathy and have other areas that they excel in. There are such varying degrees it is hard to say.

    #95064 - 02/19/11 08:03 AM Re: How far ahead in math are gifted kids typically? [Re: MamaJA]
    Kai Online   content

    Registered: 05/17/09
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    There are several things going on here. First of all, achievement test scores, even from individual achievement tests like the WJ-III, don't indicate the level at which a child is truly working. When my son was 9, he scored well beyond the "adult" level in math calculation on the WJ-III. He had just finished 6th grade math and knew how to do simple "solve for x" type problems. This shows a whole lot more about the math ability of the average adult than it does about my son's ability. At the time, my son was working at a prealgebra level in math.

    As for how far ahead gifted kids are in math, my older son (who has dyslexia) started out behind by about two years in 2nd grade. By the end of 2nd grade he was ahead a year. By the end of 3rd grade he was ahead two years and he continued to the two years ahead at the end of 4th grade (when he tested at an adult level). In 5th grade he moved into algebra I at half pace, making him (sort of) three years ahead. He finished algebra I at the end of 6th grade, so he was back to two years ahead. He did some "fun math" for about six months and then we messed around a bit trying to find a geometry program that worked for us, so he ended up finishing geometry in the middle of 8th grade, making him about 1.5 years ahead. Then again we messed around finding an algebra II book that worked for us. He is now on track to finish algebra II at the end of 9th grade, making him 1 year ahead.

    My younger son, now 9, started out doing 1st grade math in K. He didn't seem particularly gifted in math and he moved ahead at a typical one level per year rate in K and 1st, so that at the end of 1st he had finished 2nd grade math (his WJ-III scores indicated that his math achievement was at a 5th grade level at that time). Then he started speeding up. He was two years ahead at the end of 2nd grade, and now in the middle of 3rd grade, he is doing a prealgebra program and is on track to start algebra in 4th grade, making him 4 years ahead. I anticipate that we will move more slowly through upper level math as I intend to heavily supplement the standard curriculum.

    #95065 - 02/19/11 08:41 AM Re: How far ahead in math are gifted kids typically? [Re: MamaJA]
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    Registered: 02/05/11
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    I just realized that I didn't offer any particulars for my own child in my post.

    DD (now 11) is taking honors geometry, which is (I guess) considered the "10th grade" course in the 'regular' progression. Now, she's an 8th grader, so that means she's 2 yrs ahead, but that's artificial as well since it doesn't account for her chronological age. She should (chronologically) be in 5th grade, maybe 6th. So I guess that means she's four grades above her chronological placement in mathematics. But this, too, is somewhat artificial since the school has set the pace for her for the last three years, and there is NO doubt that it's slower than ideal for her personally. She worked through Prentice-Hall's math series starting with course 1 when she was eight, and has since done Course 2, Pre-algebra, and Algebra 1.

    I definitely do not think of her as being particularly mathy-- she has a leaning toward applied mathematics but really doesn't care much for theoretical math for its own sake. She was not a kid that seemed to figured out a lot of things early and on-her-own. At least not obviously so. She just seemed to only need one repetition to learn almost anything. Long-division excepted. She was definitely able to handle simple algebraic manipulations and symbolic thinking well before age 5, however. She worked through Singapore's curriculum (supplemented with the CWP workbooks, which she loved) levels 1-4 in about two years at ages four(ish) to six.

    In contrast, her rate of acquiring literacy was a lot faster-- she went from phonetically controlled readers and easy readers at age 4, to reading Harry Potter on the sly under the covers with a flashlight about 8 months later, and reading college level materials less than six months after THAT. She has never been challenged in terms of literacy by anything that school/curriculum has thrown at her. She read her first Shakespeare play at age seven.

    She is EG/PG.
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